but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.
Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.
Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.
what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?
What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine
It’s impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It’s not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail?
The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working?
Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.
Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.
You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.
That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.
Well at the moment that’s what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.
I’m sorry but i really don’t understand who is “we” and “they”
How is the government formed? Who makes sure the competent people stay in power and don’t abuse their position? Can anyone become the part of the government?
You and your community collectively owning and operating a farm is literally a communal farm.
but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.
Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.
Personal property is for personal use. That’s it.
Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.
Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.
what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?
Inheritance is antithetical to meritocracy is the basis for generational wealth and capitalist dynasties.
Everything must go, use it lose it.
What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine
You can’t even imagine helping your neighbors, huh?
You overestimate how much the average person cares for people they don’t know.
Keep telling on yourself.
In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it.
Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy.
Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose.
It’s impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It’s not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail?
The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working?
So what are all those people without kids doing?
Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.
Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.
A person who could actually assemble a farm through small land acquisitions through the power of friendship probably deserves it tbh
I wouldn’t really call it friendship. Company is a good word.
You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.
That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.
Freely? No. For money. They can also work for money.
Except they don’t need money, so it’s still a free choice they’re making.
When you don’t need money to have a life worth living and all needs are already provided, any choice to work for money is a free one.
Who decides what constitutes surplus?
The democratically elected central committee, or some other process whereby everyone decides together what our fair share is.
Keeps the means of production out of the hands of the wealthy.
who even makes farms at that point?
The government, literally the only option left when you take away the rich and poor.
And who will make sure they don’t abuse their power? Its basic human nature to be greedy. Who chooses the government? People voting?
Well at the moment that’s what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.
I’m sorry but i really don’t understand who is “we” and “they”
How is the government formed? Who makes sure the competent people stay in power and don’t abuse their position? Can anyone become the part of the government?
I’m so sorry you believe that.
Its sad but its true. Not everyone is bad but a lot of people are, if you don’t believe that you are very sheltered.
People aren’t born bad. They’re made that way and they need help.
Capitalism has trained you to see your neighbor as your enemy. It’s a tragedy!
Ok then @queermunist , I’m seriously going to call you out on this now: please send me your money.
Like, seriously.
Send me all the money you have earned and saved up so far, if you really believe what you said.
Share your money with me. I’m not greedy, I need your money to live.
It is not greedy to want to live and to have personal property! That’s literally what the OP is about!