• AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It’s the drugs going into air that other people have to breathe, or behavior while under the influence that endangers other people that’s the problem.

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      11 months ago

      The danger of passing a cigarette on the street pales in comparison to urban pollution, poorly regulated restaurants, and even household cleaners for the number of toxins you expose yourself to. Worrying about second hand smoke outside makes as much sense as worrying about malaria from a mosquito while you’re trapped in a cage with lions.

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        11 months ago

        Not when you’re allergic. And even when you’re not, I’ve only met one smoker who realizes how awful they smell and tries to mitigate it.

        You do realize this is a hugely fallacious argument, right?

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            11 months ago

            Stay inside if you insist on indulging in a disgusting habit. I’m not stopping you from destroying yourself, but no one should have to suffer for your stupid choices.

            But smoking in public is intrinsically selfish, so I should know better than to debate it with a smoker. Nothing would convince you to have a little courtesy and class.

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      11 months ago

      All that dangerous behavior like snacking relentlessly and laughing at dumb jokes, what horror! Also edibles have no secondhand smoke to inhale.

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      11 months ago

      And when the government can effectively prevent massive amounts of benzene from going into the air, they are more than welcome to work on the trace amounts of nicotine.

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        It’s not a zero sum. You can be against both.

        That argument sounds like someone whining about car accidents while setting themselves on fire… one does not make the other okay.

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          One is clearly worse, can be stopped, and isn’t bullshit.

          The other is whiny bullshit, and your analogy sucks.

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        11 months ago

        We should only make beating others illegal once we successfully prevented all murder

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          11 months ago

          It’s about ease of enforcement. If you can’t enforce a law, it’s bullshit lip service.

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        You’d be right, but those trace amount of nicotine are often going straight into our faces for the crime of being downwind of someone smoking/vaping without a care in the world.

        Health effects aside, I’d appreciate not having to breath in or smell other people’s second-hand smoke/vape.

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          There’s more nicotine in your average pasta sauce than you’ll absorb by following a vaping person for an hour. I know you’re talking about a principle… but it’s not a very strong argument.

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            Okay, assuming that’s true, when I eat pasta with sauce, the person next to me doesn’t end up ingesting my pasta sauce.

            When you smoke/vape, the people are forced to inhale your exhaust as they breath (which we don’t really get a lot of choice in doing).

            It’s like saying because you got an X-ray you shouldn’t worry about bathing in the sun for too long.

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            It does go both ways, but saying “my body, my right” when what you’re doing has a physical, unhealthy effect on the people around you I’d argue is more selfish than my wanting you to stop.

            Imagine if people just stood outside of buildings constantly coughing and spluttering germs at you whenever you walked past. You’d want them to stop, no?