Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of “Wayland breaking everything” isn’t really accurate.

“In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!”

Nate’s Original Blog Post

  • t0m5k1@lemmy.world
    143·
    6 months ago

    Until my distro forces wayland on me I’ll stick with xorg+XFCE. I’ve played with sway and hyprland but I need my application choices to actually work well. (no I’m not going to list them).

    As for the cube desktop in the image: We had this with compiz and learnt then that this is pointless.

    Why are we back there?

      • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        No blame on the XFCE devs because they’re trying to get a lot done with few people, but XFCE just managed to transition to GTK3, I wouldn’t hold my breath for comprehensive Wayland support any time soon.

        • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          6 months ago

          They’ve made great strides towards Wayland support, considering that the vast majority of the work is being done by 1 guy.
          It’s not just a lack of devs that’s contributing to slow development time either, it’s also the fact their goal is to port every single component to native Wayland without relying on Xwayland at all; which is obviously going to take way longer than just porting the essentials and saying “fuck it, use Xwayland”.

        • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Work on your reading comprehension skills ◉⁠‿⁠◉

          There’s a big difference between Working on vs is working. They’re Working on a full port, other than that you have preliminary access that’s not intended for casual users; only developers, tinkers/enthusiast & testers.

          This design document is intended for Xfce developers to begin brainstorming ideas for future development. This is a work in progress and does not imply any future implementation commitments.

          Should’ve been your first hint.

    • rush@lemm.ee
      1·
      6 months ago

      It’s pointless, but it’s customization.

      Either way, XFCE already has plans for Wayland support