Russia hates “Nazis”. Not Nazi politics or policies, just the part where they broke their pact with Stalin and then attacked Russia. Modern Russia is really pretty okay with the values that Nazis hold, just not the historical war part. And, in point of fact, the professional Russian military (versus the meat-shield conscripts) have a pretty high percentage of nei-nazi members. (I’m singling out Russia because the hammer and sickle is so closely associated with Russia, as it was adopted as part of the flag of the USSR. IIRC it’s still used by the Chinese communist party, but not by the country.)
As far as the ‘Death To Israel’ and ‘Free Palestine’ part, those aren’t antisemitic by themselves. You can oppose the actions of the country of Israel, and even oppose it’s existence as an apartheid ethnostate without being antisemitic, although the far-right nationalists in Israel will say otherwise.
Are you really trying to make “Death to Israel” sound like something good?
People who say that quite literally mean Israel should not exist and that includes make it un-exist through violence. At that point people can’t pretend to not be on Hamas side.
I’ve already answered this, in the comment you’re replying to.
Opposing the existence of an apartheid ethnostate is not, by itself, antisemitic. Or necessarily bad. Unless you want to replace it with something equally oppressive, such as a country run by Hamas or Hezbollah. (The IDF is what Hamas would be if Hamas had billions in funding from the US.)
Israel has the power to stop this cycle at any time. They could acknowledge their past wrongs, and work to correct them, by returning stolen land to the Palestinians and making reparations. Instead they’re determined to end the cycle of violence by committing genocide. Which, I guess, if you turn your head sideways and squint, does end the cycle of violence, because you’ve straight-up murdered everyone.
The IDF is what Hamas would be if Hamas had billions in funding from the US.
Well, minus rights for women, children and LGBTQ. I think we should not forget that.
Hamas has the power to stop it right now by releasing all hostages.
There won’t be an admitting of past wrongs if that is a one-sided deal. To comfortably brush over everything Palestine did and does is more than just picking a side. I think it works against a peace between the two groups.
Palestine in the past has made clear on several occasions that they won’t accept Israel there. At all. How do you suggest that issue is solved without Palestine accepting their part in this as well?
Hamas has the power to stop it right now by releasing all hostages.
You think that’s going to stop Israel?
How do you suggest that issue is solved without Palestine accepting their part in this as well?
I would say that, given that Hamas doesn’t have the nuclear weapons and billions/trillions of dollars in US funding that Israel does, that maybe there’s a fuckton more responsibility on Israeli to get their shit in order than Hamas. That is kinda like saying that Rodney King deserved to be beaten, and that he needed to take responsibility for the actions of the LAPD offices since he resisted arrest.
Well. See.
Russia hates “Nazis”. Not Nazi politics or policies, just the part where they broke their pact with Stalin and then attacked Russia. Modern Russia is really pretty okay with the values that Nazis hold, just not the historical war part. And, in point of fact, the professional Russian military (versus the meat-shield conscripts) have a pretty high percentage of nei-nazi members. (I’m singling out Russia because the hammer and sickle is so closely associated with Russia, as it was adopted as part of the flag of the USSR. IIRC it’s still used by the Chinese communist party, but not by the country.)
As far as the ‘Death To Israel’ and ‘Free Palestine’ part, those aren’t antisemitic by themselves. You can oppose the actions of the country of Israel, and even oppose it’s existence as an apartheid ethnostate without being antisemitic, although the far-right nationalists in Israel will say otherwise.
Are you really trying to make “Death to Israel” sound like something good? People who say that quite literally mean Israel should not exist and that includes make it un-exist through violence. At that point people can’t pretend to not be on Hamas side.
I’ve already answered this, in the comment you’re replying to.
Opposing the existence of an apartheid ethnostate is not, by itself, antisemitic. Or necessarily bad. Unless you want to replace it with something equally oppressive, such as a country run by Hamas or Hezbollah. (The IDF is what Hamas would be if Hamas had billions in funding from the US.)
Israel has the power to stop this cycle at any time. They could acknowledge their past wrongs, and work to correct them, by returning stolen land to the Palestinians and making reparations. Instead they’re determined to end the cycle of violence by committing genocide. Which, I guess, if you turn your head sideways and squint, does end the cycle of violence, because you’ve straight-up murdered everyone.
Well, minus rights for women, children and LGBTQ. I think we should not forget that.
Hamas has the power to stop it right now by releasing all hostages. There won’t be an admitting of past wrongs if that is a one-sided deal. To comfortably brush over everything Palestine did and does is more than just picking a side. I think it works against a peace between the two groups.
Palestine in the past has made clear on several occasions that they won’t accept Israel there. At all. How do you suggest that issue is solved without Palestine accepting their part in this as well?
You think that’s going to stop Israel?
I would say that, given that Hamas doesn’t have the nuclear weapons and billions/trillions of dollars in US funding that Israel does, that maybe there’s a fuckton more responsibility on Israeli to get their shit in order than Hamas. That is kinda like saying that Rodney King deserved to be beaten, and that he needed to take responsibility for the actions of the LAPD offices since he resisted arrest.
Death to Israel definitly crosses the line into antisemitic
No it fucking does not, unless you accept that Israel is an apartheid state. Which is it?
That would be like saying “Death to America” was racist against white people.