So, Iām kinda new to this Lemmy thingy and the fediverse. I like the fediverse from a technological standpoint. However, I think that, if we gain more and more traction, Lemmy (and by extend the entire fediverse) is a GDPR clusterfuck waiting to happen. With big and expensive repercussionsā¦
Why? Well, according to GDPR, all personal data from EU users must remain in the EU. And personal data goes really far. Even an IP-address is personal data. An e-mail address is personal data. I donāt think there is jurisprudence regarding usernames, so that might be up for discussion.
Since the entire goal of the fediverse is ātransportingā all data to all servers inside the ActivityPub/fediverse world, the data of a EU member will be transported all over the place. Resulting in a giant GDPR breach. And I have no idea who will be held responsibleā¦ The people hosting an instance? The developers of Lemmy? The developers of ActivityPub?
Large corporations are getting hefty fines for GDPR breaches. And since Lemmy is growing, Lemmy might be āin the spotlightsā in the upcoming years.
I donāt like GDPR, and Iām all for the technological setup of the fediverse. However, I definitely can see a ācompetitorā (that is currently very large but loosing ground quickly) having a clear eye out to eliminate the competitionā¦
What do yāall thing about this?
Youāre confusing āprivateā with āpersonalā. My data can be public, but itās still MY data and I have the right to decide what happens with it and if it should stay public. Thatās what the GDPR says and thatās exactly what OP is referring to.
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Thatās the interesting point. Do I really have to do that or should I be able to rely on my instance owner thatās located in the EU to take care of that? Iām pretty sure none of us can answer this question. Decentralized services like the Fediverse are probably a new challange for GDPR experts.
Iām not supposing to have any answers either, but from a personal standpoint it seems rather selfish to even entertain the idea of making an instance owner do that. Itās not like these people are getting paid for a service (aside from donations, in some cases); theyāre hosting in the spirit of the fediverse. Why would I pawn legal work off to them?
I think you truly underestimate the GDPR, which is fine, because you donāt run a huge Lemmy instance. I just hope the admins of the big instances are taking it more seriously, otherwise this could indeed blow up in their faces one day.
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You guys sound so confident, itās not even funny. GDPR is a huge topic and everyone who already had to deal with it even marginally knows that OPās fear is absolutely plausible. The GDPR doesnāt give a shit about causing major inconviences or huge workload for platform admins. Ever heard about the GDPR nightmare letter?
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Same here. Iām not sure if Iām right, but neither should anyone else here be sure about this topic.
What if the product is designed in a way that violates the GDPR? Again, Iām not sure about that, just like OP. We will see how things will turn outā¦ But as an admin of a large instance Iād be carful for sure.
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I never said that Lemmy is designed in that way, I just say that we canāt be sure.
Where and how do Twitter or Reddit third party apps store personal data?
You are able to edit and remove your posts on your Lemmy instance. Other Lemmy instances may or may not also reflect these changes, but your instance admin does not have any authority or responsibility to ensure that your previously public posts get deleted anywhere else in the world other than the instance they run.
Thatās exactly how it works everywhere, itās not a Lemmy specific thing. For example, if you write a public blog post on some public blog service, and later delete it, then it wonāt be the responsibility of the blog service owner to remove your post from elsewhere on the internet. It will be your own responsibility to manually request removal from other services which have copies of your post (like archvie.org etc).