Okay so according to your logic, it is impossible for us to have this conversation. No human could’ve invented those things, therefore they can’t exist.

Or are you saying humans can learn, but our capacity for that is greatly amplified by the knowledge humanity gave us?

If it’s the latter, yeah, we’re standing on the shoulders of giants. But AI is fundamentally different, that’s the point of the comment above.

AI could never in however many million years get to the point humanity has gotten to, because we humans learn, and AIs don’t. They would stagnate without humans even if they could train from each other.