wow, you’re greatly misunderstanding what I said. I said it’s their responsibility to seek help, get meds, get therapy, and actually take their meds. You can’t force someone to better themselves. you will always fail unless they put in effort. And with incels, most I’ve met don’t see anything wrong with their thinking, so they won’t seek help.
I’ve had to put in a lot of work to manage my mental illness. It is my and only my responsibility to make sure I take my meds everyday and to maintain healthy habits that keep my mind functioning properly. Nobody can physically do that for me. Education on better choices? sure. but actually do the work to not be a shithead, that’s on me. It’s like getting sober. It’s a lot of work, and you have to put in effort. It won’t happen for you, no matter how many treatment centers you go to.
No I understood you just fine. If that’s how you wanted to be understood from the start you should have started out with saying what you did say now and not condense it down to
it’s on them to fix themselves. not society.
We’ve all heard the “personal responsibility” spiel so often usually it means “fuck you got mine”. And it’s not like you’re saying anything new on the accepting therapy side – that goes without saying when we’re talking that there should be therapy. Then, there’s indeed ways to coax people into accepting help, I’ve been talking about that with others elsewhere in the thread, meanwhile you’re standing there bogging it down to “it’s on them”. No. Not good enough. That’s an excuse, an excuse to later on throw up your hands and say “well they couldn’t be helped”, you know, the exact opposite of taking responsibility. “We’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas”.
wow, you’re greatly misunderstanding what I said. I said it’s their responsibility to seek help, get meds, get therapy, and actually take their meds. You can’t force someone to better themselves. you will always fail unless they put in effort. And with incels, most I’ve met don’t see anything wrong with their thinking, so they won’t seek help.
I’ve had to put in a lot of work to manage my mental illness. It is my and only my responsibility to make sure I take my meds everyday and to maintain healthy habits that keep my mind functioning properly. Nobody can physically do that for me. Education on better choices? sure. but actually do the work to not be a shithead, that’s on me. It’s like getting sober. It’s a lot of work, and you have to put in effort. It won’t happen for you, no matter how many treatment centers you go to.
No I understood you just fine. If that’s how you wanted to be understood from the start you should have started out with saying what you did say now and not condense it down to
We’ve all heard the “personal responsibility” spiel so often usually it means “fuck you got mine”. And it’s not like you’re saying anything new on the accepting therapy side – that goes without saying when we’re talking that there should be therapy. Then, there’s indeed ways to coax people into accepting help, I’ve been talking about that with others elsewhere in the thread, meanwhile you’re standing there bogging it down to “it’s on them”. No. Not good enough. That’s an excuse, an excuse to later on throw up your hands and say “well they couldn’t be helped”, you know, the exact opposite of taking responsibility. “We’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas”.