• BadLackey@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Criminals giving criminals money, then socializing the criminals’ losses, then gifting the criminals a golden parachute. There is the ruling class and everyone else. Most of the country is distracted by UFOs and drag queen brunches to care about the real problems.

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      11 months ago

      That loan saved the pensions of those people working at Yellow, if you maybe want to take that into account while you’re fitting people for black hats.

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          11 months ago

          The US fucked this up during WWII when it froze wages to prevent businesses from swiping employees from each other. So instead of wages employers started offering benefits instead, two of the commonly offered benefits were Pensions and Medical Insurance.

          As a nation we really should fix these problems but doing so would be hella expensive and perhaps even impossible as we’re hitting the same demographic off-ramp that France and so many other Western Nations are already on.

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            11 months ago
            1. 401ks are still related to the person’s place of employment, so they don’t actually solve that problem. I’d rather see us ditch them in favor of higher contribution limits to IRAs.

            2. Defined-contribution retirement plans (401ks and IRAs) in general are not an adequate replacement for defined-benefit ones (pensions and Social Security) because, frankly, people are too stupid on average to plan properly for their future. And even if you think stupid people deserve what they get, it’s still a problem that affects you because of the collective burden massive numbers of indigent elderly would put on society.

            401ks never should’ve been created, and the replacement for private employer pensions should’ve been an expansion of Social Security.

            (I say all this as someone with much larger than average retirement savings who’s aiming for FIRE, by the way. This is a critique of the system from someone who has benefited from it, not sour grapes from a stereotypical poor millennial.)

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                11 months ago

                “Financial Independence; Retire Early.” See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement

                TL;DR: I keep my household expenses very low (roughly $30k/year) and save a very high percentage of my income so that I can retire very early. The pandemic changed my plans a bit, but I’m expecting to be done by age 45. (By the way, to address a common criticism of the idea: "retire"means doing whatever I want without being beholden to working for a wage, not necessarily vegging out in front of the TV and stagnating as certain workaholics assume. The important distinction is that I could choose to work if I wanted, but wouldn’t need to.)

          • Buelldozer@lemmy.world
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            11 months ago

            401ks are a time bomb waiting to go off. If / when there’s another severe stock market crash (and make no mistake one is coming) tens of millions of retirees are suddenly going to be penniless.

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              11 months ago

              If a crash of that magnitude happens it’s not like social security would fare any better. At that point you’re talking about full scale economic disaster that affects the entire world.

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                11 months ago

                If a crash of that magnitude happens

                It doesn’t require a full scale Great Depression style meltdown, the ‘downturn’ of 2008 caused significant difficult for many, it simply requires a sharp enough retraction of Investment Capital. That retraction is already in progress as the retirement rate for Boomers escalates and more of them begin selling their stocks and bonds; either directly or through their retirement instruments like 401ks and Pensions.

                I’m not a doomer but I am fairly convinced that 401ks are a timebomb.

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        11 months ago

        If the pensions were at risk due to the company’s bankruptcy, something has gone very wrong. Generally, pension funds are protected under ERISA.

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          11 months ago

          Generally, pension funds are protected under ERISA.

          There’s a whole lot of Coal Miners who would argue that point.

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            Were they not covered because of a technicality (for example being a contractor versus an employee), or did ERISA just fail to make them whole as they should have?

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        11 months ago

        Even if it did, it’s not like the government has lifted a finger to help any other workers or students recently, and actively works to make their lives harder instead.