The Biden administration and the Israeli government diverge sharply over how Gaza should be governed when the war ends.

The Biden administration and the Israeli government diverge sharply over how Gaza should be governed when the war ends.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Thursday appeared to rule out a postwar peace process that would lead to the establishment of a sovereign Palestinian state, rebuffing calls from the United States and others to start working toward that goal.

“In any arrangement in the foreseeable future — with an arrangement or without one — Israel must have security control over all the territory west of the Jordan,” Mr. Netanyahu said at a news conference, referring to an area including occupied territory that Palestinians hope will one day become their independent state. “This clashes with the idea of sovereignty. What can you do?”

The Biden administration and the Israeli government have diverged sharply over how Gaza will be governed when the fighting ends. President Biden and his top diplomat, Antony J. Blinken, have urged Israeli officials to move toward the eventual establishment of a Palestinian state. Mr. Biden has suggested that a “revitalized” Palestinian Authority, which is based in the West Bank, run a post-Hamas Gaza as an interim step toward that goal.

But Israeli officials have repeatedly dismissed such calls, saying they are focused on the war in Gaza. On Thursday, Mr. Netanyahu told reporters he had rebuffed the latest exhortations.

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  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
    73·
    10 months ago

    I’m not sure you understand how diplomacy works. You don’t have difficult discussions in front of TV cameras.

    It’s not like I’m even a fan of Biden but your absolutist, “they are the same” stance needed a reality check.

    Whereas Biden deliberately sabotaged peace talks to keep the war going.

    Do you have a source on this?

    • Revan343@lemmy.ca
      7·
      10 months ago

      Whereas Biden deliberately sabotaged peace talks to keep the war going.

      Do you have a source on this?

      They probably mean ‘peace talks’ of the sort where Ukraine is expected to roll over and let Russia take them, and then there’ll be ‘peace’

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      48·
      10 months ago

      It’s not like I’m even a fan of Biden but your absolutist, “they are the same” stance needed a reality check.

      Your only source for “they are not the same” is secret talks that you’re imagining in your own head. Fanfiction.

      Do you have a source on this?

      https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/us-repeatedly-blocked-ukraine-peace-deals-it-rethinking-its-strategy-yet

      What is becoming all too apparent is that this conflict didn’t have to still be going on right now; it didn’t have to stretch into the bloody war of attrition that it has turned into. The killing could have ended long ago.

      Though Arakhamia’s anti-semitism has him looking in the wrong direction for explanations as to why Ukraine is losing, he does offer insights that are useful for understanding why the battles in the east are still raging.

      It is clear that the US and its allies were out to sabotage possibilities for peace immediately after the Russian invasion. Were it not for their interference, the current war could have ended in early March 2022 — about a week after it started. Thanks to Arakhamia, we now have confirmation of this fact.

      He was at the talks in Belarus and said the Russians would halt the invasion and leave Ukraine if there was agreement on Ukrainian military neutrality and its leaders gave up on Nato membership.

      Rather than report this to the public, however, the media in Europe and the US focused on sensational statements that were not actually part of those negotiations. They insisted that the Russians made official demands in the talks to “de-nazify” a country that the Allies said had no Nazis. Further, Russia supposedly demanded direct control of not only the eastern Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine but also other vast stretches of the country.

      Madeleine Albright, the now-deceased and famous US diplomat, once said that during negotiations, one must distinguish between what participants really want and what is just political theatre. In Belarus in March 2022, the US chose to focus on political theatre, diverting attention from the two key Russian demands.

      Arakhamia said that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul, shortly after the March 2022 talks in Belarus, actually produced an agreement between Ukraine and Russia to bring the fighting to an end — based on those same points.

      “[The Russians] were ready to end the war if we accepted neutrality like Finland once did. And we were ready to make a commitment that we would not join Nato. When we returned from Istanbul, [then-British Prime Minister] Boris Johnson came to Kiev and said: ‘Do not sign anything with them at all; just go to war,’” Arakhamia said.

      • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        10 months ago

        Your only source for “they are not the same” is secret talks that you’re imagining in your own head. Fanfiction.

        No, that they are not the same is blatantly obvious to everybody apart from you. Why is that?

        Further, Russia supposedly demanded direct control of not only the eastern Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine but also other vast stretches of the country.

        You’re trying to blame Biden for this? Come on.

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          39·
          10 months ago

          No, that they are not the same is blatantly obvious to everybody apart from you. Why is that?

          When the president is talking you should always assume he is lying, either by omission or exaggeration or falsification. I only believe things that have proof, I never trust any president at his word because I’m old enough to know better. I came into political consciousness under Bush, then came into adulthood under Obama, and they were both absolute monsters on the international stage. Trump wasn’t actually worse.

          America is an evil empire. Grow up.

          You’re trying to blame Biden for this? Come on.

          A good negotiator will always ask for the best possible deal so that, by the time it is whittled down by compromise, it’s at least acceptable to both sides. That’s how all negotiations have always worked. Instead, Biden just made that conversation stop because he didn’t want the war to end without a total and perfect Ukraine victory where zero territory is lost and Russia is militarily and geopolitically crippled.

          And so the war goes on.

          • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            10 months ago

            Oh boy …

            Trump wasn’t actually worse.

            Let’s leave it there. We obviously exist in different realities.

            America is an evil empire. Grow up.

            You’re making a glib value judgement on an entire nation, completely devoid of nuance or evidence, and you’re telling me to grow up?

            The less said about you trying to blame Biden for the continuing war in Ukraine, the better.

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
              38·
              10 months ago

              Let’s leave it there. We obviously exist in different realities.

              In terms of foreign policy he didn’t start as many conflicts and he didn’t kill as many people and didn’t collapse as many governments, and his worst policies (officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, was a huge proponent of the Israel normalization talks in the Middle East) were not undone by Biden. Biden continued or expanded most of Trump’s foreign policy.

              You’re making a glib value judgement on an entire nation

              I’m talking about the empire, which is undoubtedly evil. The more history I learn the more I hate it. The history of the Indian Wars, the Cold War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Monroe-Doctrine, the Iraq War, and the many many coups and genocides the empire has been involved in. Did you know that America invaded Russia in 1918? They don’t usually teach that in America’s schools and its not in textbooks, but the empire started the Cold War and everything that followed. We, the nation, are rarely involved at all in any of these decisions. They’re made for us because we don’t have a real democracy, we have a cobbled together “”“republic”“” where two presidents in my lifetime lost the popular vote yet their party controls the Supreme Court.

              There are going to be territory concessions in Ukraine and all America has done by prolonging the conflict is get more Ukrainians and Russians killed. I won’t go into how Russia’s demand for Ukraine to not have NATO membership is entirely reasonable, I won’t go into how I believe America planned or at least knew about the attack on the Nordstream Pipeline as a way to force the war to prolong itself, I won’t go into how I view this war as America driving a wedge between Europe and the rest of the world so it can never escape America’s grasp, but I have a lot of reasons to not believe Biden has been good for Ukraine and I blame him for the war not already being over.

              Amerikkka must be stopped.

              You can have the last word.