• Stovetop@lemmy.world
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      The only thing I can say is that both have no problem with harming combatants and civilians alike, but one side is disproportionately killing civilians with the resources at their disposal (Israel) just because they can.

      I’m not convinced that Hamas wouldn’t do the same if the tables were turned, but one side needs to be better if we’re ever to see an end to this conflict.

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        Yeah. Hamas doesn’t have any moral high ground, but the one that needs to be restrained at this moment in time is Israel.

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          People are also more eager to criticise Israel because Hamas is just a terrorist organisation and they hold Israel to a higher standard.

          I guess the Israeli government isn’t happy about being treated as more than a terrorist organisation?

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        I always thought the IDF was supposed to be super skilled and tactical. I expected surgical strikes to take out terrorists and minimize civilian casualties. They had a reputation for strength.

        Turns out they’re either incompetent or they’re genocidal or both. Hint: both.

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          Unfortunately, for those in the know, the IDF’s callous and sadistic operations in Palestine have been known for some time. They had a good PR arm making themselves out to be super careful in the occupied territories, but it was always at odds with their actions.

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              Well, the good PR arm is pre-October 7, back when they were ‘just’ doming American citizens and tying Palestinian children to their vehicles as human shields. Right now I’m pretty sure their entire PR team is either on vacation celebrating that their job is over now that Israel is going mask off, or have chosen to eat a bullet over seeing their work whitewashing all these atrocities pissed away by Netanyahu.

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        We can guess they would, as they are backed by iran, who has declared they want to wipe Israel off the map.

        (Not Zion posting, Israel is commiting genocide, just saying Hamas is no better, just less capable)

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          Too many people don’t get that, I am 100% against Hamas, that might be different, if instead of a bunch of civilians, they had just taken like legitimate military people, I know everyone in Israel’s a veteran blah blah blah.

          Hell, I could even have a lot more respect for them if they immediately released everyone who wasn’t an Israeli soldier.

          Shit even if they just give up the fucking children.

          But they didn’t do any of that and they’re complete fucking bastards and cowards.

          But I can say damn hear everything the same against fucking Israel here.

          They are both bad, and I don’t understand the people who are only against one or the other.

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        Ehh, Hamas would have killed just as many if not far more civilians by now if Israel didn’t have such good defenses with things like the iron dome.

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          Hamas and the Islamic brotherhood have only fired 12,000 rockets at Israel since 10/7. I’m sure they don’t want to kill indiscriminately, just give the Israelis a fireworks show! /s

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            If 12,000 rockets fired means they are attacking indiscriminately, what would you say about the many more thousands of bombs that the IDF has dropped over the entire area of Gaza? Why are IDF engineers rigging residential buildings with bombs and destroying them after clearing them out? What is the purpose of their missile strikes on refugee convoys and ambulances?

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              I mean I’d say that also counts as attacking indiscriminately. The idea behind the term “indiscriminately” means that you don’t care who is on the other side, so it can apply in both of these situations.

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              I’m actually kind of skeptical of that number. Gaza isn’t big enough to drop 16,000 bombs on.

              Why are IDF engineers

              They want a DMZ between Gaza and Israel. (and let’s see how long before Israeli settlers move in.)

              What is the purpose of their missile strikes on refugee convoys and ambulances?

              Hamas wins when Israelis die. Hamas wins when Palestinians die. Ambulances and hospitals are the best places for Hamas to hide.

              We should all know WHY Israel is doing what they’re doing. Hell, we know why Hamas is doing what they’re doing. That doesn’t make it right.

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                I haven’t seen a number of bombs dropped by the IDF recently, but it was in the thousands last I heard probably in December. Israel also has much heavier munitions and is capable of high accuracy. Independent analysis show that by November 6th, the IDF had dropped at least 500 2,000 pound bombs, causing impact craters larger than 40 feet, in densely populated residential areas.

                The heavy munitions, mostly manufactured by the US, can cause high casualty events and can have a lethal fragmentation radius – an area of exposure to injury or death around the target – of up to 365 meters (about 1,198 feet), or the equivalent of 58 soccer fields in area.

                Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows

                Whether or not militants hide in hospitals or ambulances it is abhorrent to attack medical staff and is generally recognized as a war crime. There have been numerous deaths of independent observers, foreign medical staff. More UN aid workers have been killed by the IDF since October than in any other conflict in their history.

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                Gaza isn’t big enough to drop 16,000 bombs on.

                what

                I’m not sure you understand bombing.

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        right, not even getting to the point of fighting each other, this makes it so much worse.

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          Right? I learned yesterday that Israel is suffering from a lot more friendly fire incidents than is typical in urban warfare. Almost like the people they’re fighting are so poorly equipped to fight back that the main threat to Israeli soldiers is other Israeli soldiers.

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      I don’t get too worked up by right-wing religious nuts harming other right-wing religious nuts.

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        This isn’t a religious war. It’s an oppressed people fighting back against a secular political ideology that uses religion to it’s goals.

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          Absolutely not the whole picture. Hamas is a religious terrorist organization backed by iran.

          The Palestinian people are innocent, Hamas is not.

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            Yeah, that’s nonsense. Not once, from any media, Western, independent, or Middle Eastern have I heard that. They are Muslim but their sole purpose is Palestinian liberation and to fight Zionism. It’s in their party charter.