Is it due to what we eat, our social media, the alphabet propaganda machine (most likely)?

Let us have a discusion on this if possible.

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    What is the Democratic scaremongering and propaganda?

    Democrats are shitty because they are generally corporate sellouts. Republicans do the scaremongering and propaganda.

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      I feel like at this point, accurately reporting the state of the world counts as ‘Democratic scaremongering.’ Climate change is making the world less habitable. The coronavirus is capable of killing you. Some people will die as a direct result of the current forced-birth laws. It’s possible to have a functioning society without racism and sexism. For some reason, these facts are all “political” and it’s not the Democrats who are contesting them.

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        Are you making a distinction between those who vote Democrat and the politicians in the party? I would say there is quite a difference there.

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      Mainstream media is generally propaganda, too, even lots of “left leaning” media.

      For example, we don’t hear about the war crimes committed by Ukraine, only ones by Russia.

      We don’t hear about how the US was actively working with right-wing groups in Ukraine to overthrow the government in 2014, efforts that helped further fracture relationship between Ukraine and Russia.

      Or the military posturing by NATO in a geographically adjacent country to Russia.

      War makes us forget nuance and accept simple absolute truths like Russia attacked Ukraine and therefore Ukraine must defend itself.

      And for the record: fuck Russia for this ongoing conflict. They are the perpetrators, for sure. But all historical context to this conflict is completely thrown out in the eyes of the mainstream media.

      Where are the anti-war democrats? Where are the people looking to end the war, rather than further fuel it with weapons? Nowhere to be found.

      You know why? Because war makes too much money. Americans are paying to subsidize the cost of weapons to keep the war going. We the people are funding this.

      We say “what are we supposed to do? Just let Russia invade Ukraine?” And then turn a blind eye to Palestinians occupied by Israel.

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        Where are the anti-war democrats?

        Voting to send Ukraine all of the weapons and resources they can possibly use. That is the only legitimate anti-war stance. It’s a remarkably black and white scenario where an authoritarian country invaded its democratic neighbor. Russia could end the war immediately simply by leaving. Ukraine, on the other hand, needs to actually win the war. Anything other than an absolute Ukrainian victory where Russia is forced out of all of Ukraine is a victory for war. The real-world anti-war position is that war must not be allowed to be an effective means of aggression. If war works, we get more war. When dictators learn that war doesn’t work, we’ll have less war. As long as Putin isn’t willing to pull back his soldiers and abandon all claims to all Ukrainian land, the only other option is to defeat him in battle.

        Anybody who opposes arming Ukraine is objectively pro-war because the only plausible outcome in that scenario is a Russian victory.

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      to be fair, OP did say “Democrat and Republican scare mongering (etc)”

      OP suggested “it” might be due to what we we eat. also OP explained NOTHING of what they meant.

      OP is categorically a stain on all this.

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        For some reason, Republicans accuse their advisaries of the things they themselves are actually doing. My guess is that OP was Republican, has come to see that the Republicans are full of shit , bit still believes the lies they told about Democrats.

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    The two parties make sure that no third party can come up. This is a special flaw in the us american kind of (former) democracy.

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      I see them promoting the green party, and encouraging peiple to join unions and co-ops

      Not seeing anything right wing

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      There are no centrists. Centrists are fine with the status quo which ensure power stays with the current holders. It’s a conservative stance.

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    Humans cannot resist the opportunity to feel like they belong to a group that looks down on others. So it doesnt really matter what the propaganda is, humans will always fall for it.

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      And it’s getting overrun recently with morons trying to pretend they don’t support conservative fascists while repeating their talking points and offering nothing but “both sides” BS and only criticizing the left wing.

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      nah bro. just no. third parties only win in extraordinary, and terrible scenarios. it happens. what is it you want? an extraordinary and terrible situation?

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        I’d rather have viable potential for 5+ candidates running so that there’s more options than [the corporate sell outs] and [the regressive assholes that want to bring back slavery and institute puritanical christian theocracy while selling us off to the same corporations].

        basically I’d like to have somebody that actually represents me.

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          Without voting system reform, competitive 5 way races would be a disaster. That would mean a candidate could win with 23% of the vote. Imagine if you have Fascist McJones running vs 2 Liberals, 1 Leftist and Joe the Fruit Cookie. Fascist McJones gets 23%, 2 Liberals split 44%, Leftist gets 20% and Joe Fruit Cookie gets 13%. Fascist McJones wins despite their ideology having overall 41% less voters.

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            Look, I didn’t say it was an easy thing to achieve. I said it’s a dream I have.

            Probably a pipe dream given current political realities. it really would be nice, though, to have people that we’re voting for based on their merits. and not because of the other idiot’s objectionable qualities. “The lesser of 2 evils” voting style is exactly why we’re in this place.

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              Sure,l it’s a lovely idea, just that switching to 3-5 way races without changing the voting system of winner-takes-all would be worse.

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              Yes, that’s what I meant by “without voting system reform”.

              Someone pointed out flaws of RCV to me one time and had a suggestion for a better system, but unfortunately I don’t recall the details.

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            ranked choice is one way to possibly get there.

            Another would be to force turn over with term limits. I mean, Mitch McConnell has been a senator for longer than I’ve been alive,

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              whether it’s “ranked choice” or “term limits” or “Supreme Court ethics”, can you fix any of this, in a Constitutional Framework?

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                congress can- if they pull their heads out of their asses- impose ethics on the supreme court. States can go to ranked choice voting simply by doing it. Term limits would likely have to take an amendment.

                yes. we can fix it. Will it be easy? absolutely not because these assholes built a system to share power between the two parties specifically because sharing power was more advantageous than risking people that would not maintain the status quo in. (No, this isn’t a “both sides” argument. the republicans being objectively, subjectively and in any other way you care to measure it genuinely awful people, does not mean the democrats aren’t assholes, too.)