Sorry, I know debatebro-ism is the 12th type of liberalism :denguin:
Disappointed by Wolff tbh. He’s too moralizing, comes off as a Christian Socialist. He’s also long winded, yeah I know it was a live debate but he should’ve been able to make his points more focused. He also hangs on to dead ends (Socialism’s definition isn’t amorphous, Mondragon is good, etc.) which he doesn’t need to. He basically rolls over to Destiny’s weird hostility to using history and class relations to explain modes of production, doesn’t put enough emphasis in them as processes instead of things that people just enact one day.
Luckily, it will have no effect on anything and you only know and care about it because you’re part of a vanishingly small niche within a vanishingly small niche in the rapidly receeding West.
Next time you have the urge to watch a pointless, ugly struggle session, pirate Godzilla vs Kong.
I mean, the professor is a 79 year old academic who probably had no prior experience with these online debate bro types before this.
I think a 79 year old academic professor who is arguing for Marxist ideas for half a century got more experience with debate bros than most on this platform.
As a professor Wolff has probably heard every objection and question you could possibly imagine on these subjects—from students, colleagues, administrators, you name it, to the point where many of these arguments have become boring and predictable. Bertell Ollman, a Marxist professor at NYU, had an interesting piece which I believe was called “Teaching Marxism,” which I found pretty useful, and which describes the experience of teaching Marxism to students who are not Marxists, but it seems to have vanished from the internet.
edit: found it
https://web.archive.org/web/20200901041551/https://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/docs/ssr_ch05.php
That is a very good text, thanks! I like how it tries to tell the problems of teaching partially within a marxist framework.
