Saw this Legal Eagle video earlier today and yeeesh, how stupid can one group of people be. They asked a guy to delete the security videos who then of course immediately ratted them out because even among Trump’s staff there’s people there with a minimum moral compass.
You don’t even need a moral compass for that. Just a healthy amount of fear of the law. Trump likes to act like a mobster, but he’s not whacking anybody.
This is why Trumpies (and other fascists) dislike “the deep state”, by the way.
“The deep state” (in modern US usage) is anyone whose career in public service is not tied to a specific administration: professional bureaucrats, military officers, FBI agents, OSHA inspectors, postal workers, etc.
The opposite of “the deep state” is “the patronage system” — where you get a government job only by supporting the winning candidate.
When your town elects a new mayor, all the building inspectors and police officers and firefighters don’t have to stop their work and wait to find out whether the new mayor cares about smoke detectors and muggings. That’s because they’re part of “the deep state”, the part that doesn’t respond to shallow political changes.
But that means that people in “the deep state” are immune to certain sorts of short-term manipulation. The local town postmaster is a federal employee who expects to be in office long after the current president is gone. Today’s army lieutenant might one day be a general — but only by outlasting a few presidents.
Trumpies and other fascists dislike “the deep state” because its members expect to have loyalties to the state long after the current administration; and thus, they cannot devote themselves wholly to any current Führer.
Wow. Just wow. That is one of the best explanations of this I have seen. Thanks.
Great explanation, never thought about it that way.
The fact that Trump doesn’t even want to commit to pardoning the people who tried to overthrow the government for him should get them to make a brief pause and think things over.
That ship has sailed. Not only didn’t he pardon them while in office, but he can’t pardon anyone of anything now.
He will get the pardon power again once he’s re-elected (while sitting in prison probably). The US electorate is really that stupid.
Last I saw, he had a good percentage of a seven figure wake of dead people.
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Can we please all just admit that he’s guilty of treason and charge him accordingly at this point? Between undermining the entire political system with his bullshit insurrection as AND keeping hold of documents that our enemies would pay to see, I’m not sure anyone could make a solid argument that he’s what we’re looking for in a citizen.
Can we please all just admit that he’s guilty of treason and charge him accordingly at this point?
No, because that’s not how you get a legitimate conviction that will be upheld on appeal.
We can’t… Charge for crimes that have been committed and televised with millions of witnesses? Isn’t that almost entirely the point of the justice system?
You’re absolutely right. It’s crazy. But I believe for treason and sedition you have to prove intent. That’s a bit harder. As much as we want to have the hard and fast trial, it has to be done more carefully to make sure it’ll stick.
That’s just like, your opinion man.
No because treason is specifically defined within the US Constitution and he has not met those parameters. However, sedition is absolutely on the table.
This makes 79 felony charges so far
Hush Money case for Stormy Daniel’s, a former Playboy model, and another woman
- 34 felony counts - Falsifying business records in the first degree
Classified Documents Case
- 32 felony counts of willful retention of national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act
- 6 felony counts of obstruction-related crimes
- 2 felony counts of false statements to the FBI
- 1 felony count attempted destruction of evidence
Attempted Coup (January 6th)
- 4 felony charges including conspiracy to defraud the United States and an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding
And still there are more Republicans that support him over any other candidate.
Not only does that say something about conservative voters, but it also says a lot about the GOP’s candidates for 2024.
it says more on our justice system and how we respect it
after the war on drugs was used to arrest poor people for petty shit the rich got away with and now the war on terrorism being used to steal information and manipulate people, we have no faith in our justice system. it doesn’t matter he has these felonies because the law is unjust and corrupt anyway
He’s in quite a pickle
He be a criminickle
A salty, shrivelled cucumber does share a lot of similarities with him.
Now charge all those republicans who joined him in this conspiracy and coup
What a novel idea. Wouldn’t that be nice.
How many charges is he currently facing? I feel like every few days there’s another indictment.
I count 79 charges over 3 cases so far.
Those are rookie numbers, gotta pump them up!
He’s up to three so far, with a fourth likely on the way (Georgia interference).
That wasn’t quite the question. He is up for 44 federal charges and 8? In ny state I believe.
If charged in ga there could be any number of charges there and the door is open to more related to the violence itself. All depends on the evidence.
79 charges
Ah, you are correct, I misunderstood the question.
Non American here, can anyone eli5 what this all means, and what may come of it?
If justice prevails he will serve time in prison. But this has never happened before so anything can happen.
Including him winning the upcoming elections, pardoning himself and everyone else.
What’s truly inconceivable here is that we cannot dismiss the prospect of him pardoning himself because the SCOTUS is laughably partisan as well. Even Nixon didn’t enjoy the benefit of unprincipled staff and jurists like this garbage fire has. The GOP is a true cesspool of partisan hacks. It’s stunning to see how utterly unpatriotic they openly are, whilst wrapping themselves in a flag whose ideals they disdain (and simultaneously flying flags of vanquished foes).
It’s a cult. Literally a cult faithful to a cheap con man.
This timeline sucks.
It means that he has been formally accused of these crimes and there will be trials in court to determine his guilt. There has to be sufficient evidence of a crime before they (a group of people called a grand jury) will allow a case to move to trial. This limits the government from making false charges and tying people up in court on bogus charges.
An indictment means that they find that the Department of Justice (DoJ) do have sufficient evidence for a trial. It is not a determination of guilt per se, but a determination that there is sufficient evidence that a trial (or trials) must be set to determine whether he is guilty.
Furthermore, it’s my understanding that the DoJ will not indict someone unless they are absolutely sure they have an ironclad case against them that will result in the person being found guilty.
There are a bunch of charges against him, many (all?) of which are felonies. Which means he could go to prison for who knows how long. Possibly the rest of his life. The penalties are determined separately after someone is found guilty. Though, of course, there are guidelines on what the penalties should be (i.e. how long they spend in prison for each crime, restitution they may have to pay, etc.).
TL;DR It means that Trump has been formally accused of these crimes, there is sufficient evidence for them to take him to trial, and if he is found guilty he will probably go to prison, maybe for a long time.
He should go to prison. He’ll probably be elected president again.
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If they plan this correctly he’ll have at least one conviction on the books when the election takes place next November, making him ineligible for election and keeping him off the ballot. He’ll appeal of course, but by then it’ll be his problem and not ours.
*edit: autocorrect
He can run if convicted.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/mar/07/ask-politifact-can-donald-trump-run-president-if-i/
Yuck
This will unironically improve his polling numbers.
Lordy there may actually be consequences for one’s actions.
I don’t think there will be.
However… if he gets any prison time, you DM me and I’ll Venmo you $200, which I request you spend on a nice drink, and we will toast in honor of my being wrong. I’m seriously good for it.
I’m too jaded at this point. I’ve come to accept the orange man will never actually be punished.
Bet on it, we can FaceTime the drink.
Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same.
Not if he wins the next election and pardons himself. Or maybe that’s his destiny? 😅
I’m personally blaming you if that happens, talk about cursing us all, you jabroni.
I’m with you on this one!
Another day, another indictment.
