I think revisiting Linux would be great idea, but the current state isn’t that far off from what he experienced few years ago. Wayland protocols aren’t fully there yet, NVIDIA still needs some work, portals, desktops, 3rd party software and hardware support, package formats bullshit… There’s shit load of pending changes still being discussed, progress is being made, and even then, adoption of new solutions will take a while. It only make sense to revisit when there’s huge technological leap. Realistically with how slow things are going sometimes, it may be the end of the decade or close before the landscape looks really different.
When he first started he used Pop!_OS and an issue with their packages uninstalled the DE when he tried to install steam which was a really terrible look. A bug which I believe wasn’t present in any other debian/ubuntu based distro. He then moved to Manjaro, an Arch-based distro, and just had more problems with hardware.
I wish they’d try again and just use a user-friendly distro with more momentum behind it and stability, and realistically that means Ubuntu or Mint. Or take a tour through desktop environments, package managers, and what the differences between distros actually are.
I think an Arch/Void/Gentoo challenge just for him (no oponent, just to get it working with everything he needs) is what he should do now… make the fucker sweat a little 😂.
“Compile from source 🤨? WTF is that?.. oh, you make the thingies that work in the OS from that thingie no one understands except the developers 😬… OK, let’s give it a try”… dependency errors all around… “OK, that’s it, I’m out!”
While this would be funny to watch, it wouldn’t help Linux at all, quite the opposite actually because many have the impression of Linux in exactly that way.
So something like this would have to have a huge asterisk and constant clarification that this is “not the general state of Linux”
Scares off from what exactly? They’re using some gaming system and don’t care about what’s running under the hood. They may be perfectly unaware that it’s Linux or what exactly it is and why should they even care.
Seriously, installed both Linux and windows and the Linux experience was 15 minutes eezie breezie, done. Windows 11 was an 6-7 hour hell hole of trying and retrying and having to make bios adjustments to requiring another windows machine (running in VirtualBox on my Linux install)
There is always something not ready with everything but Linux works pretty effin awesome and more importantly, reliable. It had been for at least the past 10 years (I’ve been using Linux exclusively for 20+ years now as my desktop even) and it’s improving every day.
I’m at the point where I’m seriously wondering why anyone would be dumb enough to pay actualoneu for horrendous crap like windows that will spy on you and serve you ads.
The difference is, Windows no matter how shitty, is the supported OS and you can demand from your hw vendor or distributor that all features are accessible on it. I use Linux full time for 17 years and it works for me much better and I get everything done way easier than on Windows, sometimes it is as you say and I see other people using Windows computers to struggle with problems that I never had. But the reality is, Windows is what’s common for normies. If they have problem with it, they can just ask their family member/neighbor for help, or the shop where they bought their PC from.
I think revisiting Linux would be great idea, but the current state isn’t that far off from what he experienced few years ago. Wayland protocols aren’t fully there yet, NVIDIA still needs some work, portals, desktops, 3rd party software and hardware support, package formats bullshit… There’s shit load of pending changes still being discussed, progress is being made, and even then, adoption of new solutions will take a while. It only make sense to revisit when there’s huge technological leap. Realistically with how slow things are going sometimes, it may be the end of the decade or close before the landscape looks really different.
When he first started he used Pop!_OS and an issue with their packages uninstalled the DE when he tried to install steam which was a really terrible look. A bug which I believe wasn’t present in any other debian/ubuntu based distro. He then moved to Manjaro, an Arch-based distro, and just had more problems with hardware.
I wish they’d try again and just use a user-friendly distro with more momentum behind it and stability, and realistically that means Ubuntu or Mint. Or take a tour through desktop environments, package managers, and what the differences between distros actually are.
I think an Arch/Void/Gentoo challenge just for him (no oponent, just to get it working with everything he needs) is what he should do now… make the fucker sweat a little 😂.
“Compile from source 🤨? WTF is that?.. oh, you make the thingies that work in the OS from that thingie no one understands except the developers 😬… OK, let’s give it a try”… dependency errors all around… “OK, that’s it, I’m out!”
While this would be funny to watch, it wouldn’t help Linux at all, quite the opposite actually because many have the impression of Linux in exactly that way.
So something like this would have to have a huge asterisk and constant clarification that this is “not the general state of Linux”
And that these are all poweruser distros, not something your average user deals with.
He will just do the same thing as last time. He is too lazy to look something up online so he will just give up and say it’s not ready yet.
Exactly. He doesn’t even bother, this thing doesn’t work out of the box = it’s broken.
Do you think using a steam deck counts? On one hand it is Linux, but on the other hand the default experience is more of a console than a PC.
If you ever go into the desktop to do anything at all I’d say you’re getting the Arch Linux experience.
If you stick to Steam games and skip everything else then no, it doesn’t.
This kind of gatekeeping is what scares people off.
Its not gatekeeping when if you don’t use the underlying Arch system you’re not getting the same experience as “using linux”.
Scares off from what exactly? They’re using some gaming system and don’t care about what’s running under the hood. They may be perfectly unaware that it’s Linux or what exactly it is and why should they even care.
And windows is anything better?
Seriously, installed both Linux and windows and the Linux experience was 15 minutes eezie breezie, done. Windows 11 was an 6-7 hour hell hole of trying and retrying and having to make bios adjustments to requiring another windows machine (running in VirtualBox on my Linux install)
There is always something not ready with everything but Linux works pretty effin awesome and more importantly, reliable. It had been for at least the past 10 years (I’ve been using Linux exclusively for 20+ years now as my desktop even) and it’s improving every day.
I’m at the point where I’m seriously wondering why anyone would be dumb enough to pay actualoneu for horrendous crap like windows that will spy on you and serve you ads.
Just switch already.
The difference is, Windows no matter how shitty, is the supported OS and you can demand from your hw vendor or distributor that all features are accessible on it. I use Linux full time for 17 years and it works for me much better and I get everything done way easier than on Windows, sometimes it is as you say and I see other people using Windows computers to struggle with problems that I never had. But the reality is, Windows is what’s common for normies. If they have problem with it, they can just ask their family member/neighbor for help, or the shop where they bought their PC from.