I am working with a neighborhood organization to improve tree canopy in my urban area. I got involved with my neighborhood association and another org in an effort to build and strengthen my community. I would love to take more action but I’m not sure what or how. Starting to see now that working together with people helps make us more resilient
Not to derail this, because hey, nothing wrong with prepping/trying to help your community. But let’s not forget that 100 companies are responsible for 70% of emissions since 1988.
Woah, seems like I started something. I specifically said there was nothing wrong with doing your part, but that we shouldn’t forget it’s not our fault.
Which is why fighting for policy changes is important. One of the only things that can stop companies are government regulations
I fully understand what you’re saying and agree that on an individual level our impact is minimal compared to these companies, but I always wonder how fair it is to say they have to change and that’s the only solution.
My understand, and this is of the top of my head, is that 93 of those companies are oil/gas companies and the other 7 are cement. If they all gained a conscience today and stopped operations tonight, the world would be in chaos. People on an individual level would still need fuel to be able to get to supermarkets, and the supermarkets need fuel to get food moved around the supply chain.
Whilst I’m not saying it’s a solution and I’m using a simplified example to make my case, but if everyone prioritised buying electric cars as their next car, then manufacturers would speed up production of them and phase out electric cars and vehicles. This would reduce the need for oil and at some point these top 100 polluters would either adapt or collapse.
What I’m trying to get at is the masses need to put pressure on these companies both through policy changes and purchasing power. I think it’s too easy to keep driving petrol cars and pointing at the oil companies as the bad guys.
It has to be a team effort, but those companies also engaged in a multi decade effort to underplay the impact of human activity (specifically theirs) on the climate and the dangerous associated with those changes.
Apparently due to a new clean fuel rule for ocean going vessels they stopped making sulphur oxide clouds and that is the main reason for there recent spikes in ocean water temperatures. It took 3 years to see a manual reduction in sulphur oxide pollution. No calamity in the world economy. Just an unexpected revelation of how much that pollution was cooling the ocean.
So yeah, we can’t just turn off the O&G sector. But we can set ourselves some pretty aggressive targets and make them.
Then why are activists deflating SUV tires instead?
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Are they? In any case, a reason would be because SUVs take a lot of space for very few people inside. That’s space which is asphalt, and not available for pedestrians, bikes, trees, benches or other things that make cities a nice place to live.
Just responding to your edit, I think it’s a great thing that you did start this wider conversation. I find it refreshing that on Lemmy people are having much more detailed conversations and raising these wider talking points. Back on the old place a lot of people would just try to drop short gotcha type replies that were repeated over and over just to get karma, it got boring.
The only thing I will say is I think you failed at not derailing the conversation slightly!
Yeah some very good reads in this thread, cool to see everyone actually having a conversation instead of contrarianism left and right (some of that here… but not as much). I think I was pretty clear, but some people seem to think I meant that you shouldn’t change your lifestyle.
I meant that we should be holding those companies accountable in conjunction with making changes. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But who buys their products? It always comes back to us and our actions
Did you bother to look at exactly which 100 companies these are?
Spoiler alert, they are oil energy production companies.
Got rid of your petroleum-burning car? Great! But I hope you don’t ever buy literally anything, because shipping still runs on petroleum. Fun fact, most semis get around 6 MPG.
Oh, also, don’t use the internet. Even if your local power is renewable, the electric grid on the whole runs on fossil fuels. Your house electric could be green, but the majority of the switches, routers, servers and miscellany of the rest of the internet sure don’t.
It’s unrealistic to expect everyone to completely disentangle their lives from using our nation’s energy production systems. Sure, if we all went completely off-grid, we’d generate less greenhouse emissions. Of course, millions would starve due to the impossibility of scaling small-scale agriculture to feed us all.
All of us are supported by a huge infrastructure based on burning fossil fuels. Without regulating that industry, the only choice we can make is to leave society entirely.
This response is frustrating. A company can have pressure put on and change actions more than “can everyone just spend 5 minutes”. To put pressure back on a consumer who does not have the ability to purchase time (via more employees) to handle the load of “5 more minutes” means that only the crazy will think they can make a difference.
Your response is generated from a successful captain planet propaganda campaign that successfully brainwashed a generation. You are technically right that no supply = no demand. You are technically right that “if 100% of humans stopped using and correctly educated themselves on further green washing pivots” then the 100 companies would stop.
Your comment is even more frustrating.
There is no collective will to “put pressure on companies” if people don’t individually recognize that their cultural consumption practices, behaviors, and expectations are not sustainable and that, INDIVIDUALLY, their behaviors must change.
For example, the only real way to put pressure on companies is through government action through something like a carbon tax.
If we, collectively and individually, don’t realize that such an action will have significant impact on your day to day behaviors that action is politically untenable and will immediately get voted out.
If there is no government pressure or individual pressure (since we refuse to acknowledge individuals as participants in climate change), then the companies who are most willing to reduce their costs and increase their profits will thrive and the climate is fucked.
Even on a very essential level of “it requires government action” requires vast amounts of individuals to work and sacrificial to make that a reality. How much are you willing to sacrifice to help candidates who will take this seriously? If you don’t believe you have an culpability, probably nothing.
I am about 75% sure that “It’s all the companies emitting” is an immensely clever astroturfing campaign that preys on people’s desire for their to be a big bad and to not believe that they should suffer even the slightest inconvenience.
Guess what? A large majority of what you would need to do to survive in a “there is external pressure on companies” world are things most can do today. Start spending money in companies today who are at least attempting to make sustainable practices work. Reduce your regular consumption today. Start spending money today to support research and development for solutions. Stop eating meat today. Start looking into alternative sources of energy personally, today. Look into increasing your home insulation today. Start organizing, talking, supporting, volunteering, today.
Stop pretending that you are not part of the problem. You are.
The real irony with that statement is that even if 70% is some “disconnected from the reality of our consumption and economic practices and can simple be shut of magically”, that still leaves an enormous amount of carbon emissions that are individual, and guess what, those still count and are just as real.
Good idea. New plan: don’t buy anything. Don’t even buy food. We did it boys, we saved the planet.
You can not individualise a problem like climate change.
It requires collective action from governments.
You have to regulate the common use of fossil fuels out of existence (among other major changes) for us to have any hope.
Carbon footprint is a term coined by the petroleum industry to move the responsibility from them to the end users
What is a better term that places responsibility on them?
They could, you know, stop making them…
They could. And then someone else would just make more to fill the gap.
We need a change in governance and economic structure. That said, individual actions do also have an impact, collectively.
I’m poor. So I ride the train to/from work, even though it’s 4x (or more) longer than driving.
That’s all I can afford at the moment.
I attend public meetings with my city’s officials with the goal of encouraging the development of bicycle infrastructure. Ped and public transit too.
This is great. What do you see as the main hurdles to this and how do you speak to them effectively?
Sold my car, eat a plant based diet, talk to people about climate change and what they can do, change pensions, investments etc. to greener banks. I imagine the majority of my carbon footprint is probably from electricity now. I’d like to get involved with local green politics at some point but it’s something I haven’t really done yet.
Good for you with investing green. Can you recommend a mutual fund?
The single most effective thing you could possibly do for the planet, and something that’s dead simple and basically free: not having any children.
- Advocate for more and denser housing. If you can walk to the store you don’t need to drive. Housing policy is climate policy.
- Advocate for public and non-automobile transit. EVs will not save us. Busses, trains, and bikes will.
- Ask tough questions at work about sustainability. Are we carbon neutral? What can we do to find out?
Why won’t EVs save us?
If everyone switched to EV cars there would surely be fewer emissions from motors but that would not be the only issue. One is the mining of metals for batteries and the cars themselves. That process, along with shipping parts around produces greenhouse gasses and environmental harm. Then consider that we are not removing carbon nor does EV cars combat the largest sources of greenhouse gases like coal/ natural gas, textile manufacturing, concrete, shipping, and beef. Additionally, the EVs need electricity to charge and if everyone on earth today switched to EVcars many of those would end up being powered by the coal power plants (although it would be a more efficient use of fossil fuel).
Electric vehicles are great and should be used. They do come with their own set of environmental problems to consider. It also worth noting that production and consumption of vehicles and everything else on the planet needs to slow. We simply have too many people doing too much. So if you have an old gas powered car that still runs, don’t throw it out to buy a new EV.
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What about the “car-owner-virus” aka coronavirus that convinced everyone to stop taking the bus? I still see that used and new cars are selling at a premium.
I know that i break with the general vibes in this thread. I think climat change has gone too far too fast, and I don’t think there is any we as induviduals can do to stop it now. The politcians in my country talk about trying to limit plastic shopping bags and limiting driving by upping toll roads to hurt average Joe’s wallet to stop people from driving. In the mean time the tourist cruise industry were allowing to visit our ports are poluting more than the european car park combined. They are just going after the group with the smalles lobbiest group and the frewest layewers to green wash their next political cycle.
Anyways rant over. I have invested most of my money in devidens and i’m looking into buying a bigger property in to one of the few places in europe that scientists have estimated to be the least affected by climate change. Once I find something big enought we will move up north and beg to what ever is out there that mankind can invent something to revert the damage we have done.
Hey it’s also important to prepare ourselves for a changing climate so thank you for sharing.
Want to hear something to make your blood boil? COP28 is being held in UAE and run by an oil tycoon
I think the key to greater change in ourselves and our communities is through small changes. Thats the way to get me prepared for bigger changes that might be required further on down the road. So I do the following things for myself and to maybe influence others in feasible ways:
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Low-meat diet - do a vegetarian or pescatarian day every now and then, and reduce overall meat intake (I still love meat but save high meat days for special occasions)
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Switch up transportation on nice weather days. I have a car, motorcycle, and e-bike. The car is used primarily for trips that are in inclement weather, when I need extra safety (sketchy area, at night, or I’m not feeling well), or need to haul stuff. I use the motorcycle and ebike for everything else. Less/no emissions and puts me in a great mood.
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Always have camping utensils, thermos, and bags. Reusable bags for tons of situations. Camping utensils replace disposable utensils at eateries. Thermos for my bevs so no need to buy plastic bottled bevs or use plastic cups. I also always take my own food containers with me to restaurants and use those instead of the restaurants for take home leftovers and let me tell you - they really appreciate that.
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Thrift my outfits. Online and traditional thrift stores. I sell them for cheap on online sites or donate when I get tired of them. About half my wardrobe is thrifted.
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Be kind to others and myself. I think this is the most important thing. A good feeling goes a long way towards caring about bigger and bigger things. Keeps us all connected.
What are these online thrift stores? I’d like to check that out
Great idea with the reusable containers
Not all meat is bad right? My understanding is that cattle farming is harmful to the environment because cows fart methane
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I started to become politically involved in a non-partisan, very low key way: I started approaching politicians, ask them for meetings and very kindly but determined ask about their agenda for climate protection. For that I connected with CCL-D (Germany) and ccl-eu (Europe) as well as with a local group, so we don’t operate in a vacuum. This is surprisingly efficient and while it requires some preparation and social skills, I works well for me.
I plan on killing myself if it gets some dystopian type shit where I have to suck water from cockroaches titty or some shit.
Survival game devs are probably looking at this comment and taking notes.
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Bought an EV. Got solar panels. Moving towards energy storage options.
Great work on that! What did it cost to go solar?
I am working with a neighborhood organization to improve tree canopy in my urban area. I got involved with my neighborhood association and another org in an effort to build and strengthen my community. I would love to take more action but I’m not sure what or how. Starting to see now that working together with people helps make us more resilient.
I’m very interested in plants and growing food, which I think is valuable skill now and will only get more valuable. I would love to find ways to adapt agriculture to a shifting climate.
Another thing I’m doing which is simpler is some basic disaster preparedness. I have 20 gallons of water and a big box of non perishable food in my shed, and my wife and I have a plan of where to meet up in an emergency. It’s not “doomsday prepping” just a modest bit of preparation.
On water preparedness:
If your storing tap water, it’s generally shelf stable for about 6 months, so don’t forget to cycle it out.
If you have a tanked water heater, you probably don’t need supplemental water supplies. A hot water tank provides 100-300 liters of water that circulates on its own. That’s a whole bunch of water you don’t need to worry about stagnating. This obviously assumes your water tank isn’t at risk (i.e. a basement tank is no good when your risk is flooding).
Otherwise I’d recommend water treatment tablets. That’s a whole lot more water with (almost) none of the storage space and a much longer self life. Again depends on area, that won’t help you in a desert.
Moved out of a drought/fire prone area and to a more climate-stable environment with tons of water. Bought a plug in hybrid. Work from home so no commute. Reduced meat consumption. And chose not to have babies.
I don’t own a car (mostly because it’s slower than the train). I use a carsharing service on the extremely rare occasion I need a car to get somewhere. Otherwise I either ride a bike or take the train. I mostly work from home (Yeah, I know not everyone has that privilege) I don’t really eat beef or pork (mostly poultry and tuna for the protein, and tons of rice - I do bodybuilding) I don’t order many things through marketplacess like Amazon (mostly because I’m fairly minimalist and don’t like clutter. I also like things of good build quality that last longer) I take five mins. max. showers (I hate spending time in the shower) I don’t buy new tech every year (I don’t see the need to, if it works it works. My phone is three years old at this point and I plan on keeping it for at least three more years). I dislike fast fashion (again, mostly because I like things of high build quality). I buy food in little quanitites that I know I will eat and won’t go to waste. I also avoid things that are packaged in tons of plastic. And I use my own shopping bags to carry groceries. I vote for politicians that try to tackle climate change in various ways
All of these are not necessarily active decisions I take because of climate change. They’re mostly byproducts of my fairly simple and privileged lifestyle. I understand that not everyone has the privilege of a higher education with a good paying job that allows them to work from home, live in a city where everything is 5 minutes away on foot and buy stuff expensive products of high build quality that last longer thus avoiding fast fashion and other more climate damaging things.
