• insomniac_lemon@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Music aside, the framing of his rant seems really odd. Are there many millennials saying “it costs money so we can’t do it” while watching a 20-minute Green New Deal video by John Oliver? Or do you think it is their parents (and legislators/lobbyists that are Bill’s age) who wouldn’t watch Bill or John that are blocking action or denying that it’s a real problem?

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      11 months ago

      Millennials are definitely not taking this seriously enough. But compared to boomers we’re better I guess. That’s not saying much.

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      11 months ago

      Plenty of millennials are saying it costs money so we shouldn’t do it. I’m in a thread with them right now arguing that it is indeed feasible to ban cars and we can afford it.

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        11 months ago

        I think that’s a bad example. Not Just Bikes even sees it as a lost cause, key point at the bottom:

        https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/08843796-69a9-4286-9e88-3f4d1bc30758.png

        If several of the biggest cities got infrastructure/mixed-use-development good enough to restrict car use in the next 5 years I would be very impressed. Passenger trains and some bike infrastructure would be nice too.

        You add in issues like rural areas, housing prices/availability, and cost-of-living (plus stagnant wages) and even the disruptive approach will not be here in 5-10 years even if it did somehow had full support. USA is completely entrenched in rivers and lakes of asphalt. If cars are a disease, we are in at-least stage 3. That is a different fight.

        So I can see why you would say that, but cynicism/realism are quite different than denialism.

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        11 months ago

        The government needs to be heavily subsidizing public transportation for urban areas and electric vehicles for rural areas.

        Simply pushing strict emission standards is not enough. Yes, it gets less efficient vehicles out of the consumer stream, but those vehicles aren’t coming down in price. You want to get gas vehicles off the road quickly, and supercharge the economy in the process? Offer a massive rebate for electric vehicles, at the dealer level, so any person can walk into a dealership and buy an electric vehicle cheaper than a gas powered one. Non-commercial internal combustion engines will all but disappear from the road in less than a decade.

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        11 months ago

        You’re an extremist, and wrong. We personally don’t need to see anything in our lives change. Politicians need to force electric cars, better charging infrastructure, nuclear energy and and we will survive.

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          11 months ago

          Come on. Electric cars? Same shit different smell. It’s not going to solve the problem at all due to battery disposal problems and traffic jams. You still have to park it somewhere to and from. Private transport in city centres are a waste of money. Infrastructure in dense populations should be focused on accessible public transport, cycling and walking infrastructure.

        • HardlightCereal@lemmy.worldOP
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          11 months ago

          But politicians aren’t forcing those things. You can’t just cross your fingers and pray for someone to save you.

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      11 months ago

      This millennial says yes, it does cost money, so we shouldn’t do it. The corporations responsible for shaping the world we live in to ensure their own success are the ones that should! Get BP, Shell, the companies that ship things on giant container ships, the factory farms, etc. etc. to pay for it all.

      Lord knows I can barely afford rent.