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  • Wow, thanks for all the insight! I think in general this is a very good mentality to have, and to pause and really reflect on it before even picking up the pencil as you say.

    The focus on actionability is interesting though. Would you not say that some forms of propaganda aren’t necessarily meant to spur action per se, but rather serve as an opener or starter? Maybe I’m not wording this correctly, but it would follow the same concept as the Funnel model. Some forms of media would have large appeal and only serve to push people further down the funnel to be more receptive to other forms of media or propaganda. Or would you consider this a non-effective path that is akin to the sign-holding you mentioned? Or perhaps I am misanalysing this concept.

    With the example you gave, the goal is very clear and it’s quite straightforward to break down. I wonder if you have any more examples that are perhaps a bit more modern as well.














  • I don’t disagree with any of the points you raise.
    I’m mainly asking about what we should do in the case that a similar referendum happens in the EU when this rhetoric is already controlled by the right. Assuming we don’t have the time/opportunity to build and grow our own leftist anti-EU rhetoric.

    The assumption here is that we would know beforehand, given the popularity of the right, that they would rise to power in the direct aftermath and accelerate the worsening of the material conditions for the working class, in addition to enacting a lot of hateful policies for marginalised groups.

    The question is less about what should the left’s position be on the EU in general, rather about what should be done at that specific point in time where you know what the immediate consequences would be if that country left the EU through a rightist movement.
    In other words: should an EU-exit be delayed by leftists until it happens under more favourable conditions?


  • Thanks for the insight. The party work you are doing sounds very interesting and it’s great to know that it’s growing.

    I understand that it’s a difficult issue to analyse, and I’ve been thinking about it a lot as I’ve mostly been looking at Germany where this topic is more salient than most other EU countries.

    I looked at the DKP, which seemed to be the most reasonable of the communist parties in Germany according to the responses on this Ask Lemmygrad thread. Most of the campaign posters they have seem to zero-in on this anti-EU rhetoric:

    I felt I should understand whether this really should be the main focus since I found it a bit odd that they’re choosing to spend so much time campaigning on this when the anti-EU rhetoric is already very popular with the right.


  • I’m not sure I understand what the stance to take would be in this instance. What is the opportunity that is being presented for leftist movements in this scenario? Should we be trying to take over the anti-EU rhetoric from the right with our own movements? I feel that this is very unlikely to succeed given how popular the far right is and how powerless the left is currently in a country like Germany for example.

    In this scenario, should we push back against the movement to exit the EU so long as we know for certain that far right groups would inherit power in the aftermath? Or do we still support an EU exit and allow the short to medium-term damage to occur while trying to organise and focusing on mutual-aid for affected groups?

    I’m not sure. I feel quite conflicted with supporting an EU exit where we’re pretty-much asking the working class of that country to martyr themselves.