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  • Maybe my issue here is that the whole “buildPythonPackage” ecosystem of nix is fundamentally at odds with the python ecosystem of late, and the rest of the nix ecosystem is better.

    Python has been moving toward a more “define your exact dependencies” model lately (see pipenv, poetry, piptools, etc.), while nixpkgs expects that python package dependencies can be replaced with whatever version is in the nixpkgs repo (essentially the opposite view). Nix also assumes that tests will catch any problem caused by a version mismatch, which means defensive dependency pinning won’t work. (A dependency that is pinned to be under some assumed api breaking change is trying to prevent code from breaking before it does. If the dependency changes behavior in a way that changes results but still works, it will break the code in ways that tests don’t necessarily catch)

    This is wrong more often than it is right. Partly because of the pain of the arm64 transition on Mac, and the Mac vs linux issue, and the fact that data science based python packages frequently have dependencies on C libraries (which just multiplies the dependency space), I have yet to have a python package build correctly the first time from nix.

    But this is partly beside the point. If I have to learn a new way to install packages for every language, then I kinda have to be knowledgable in nix and the language to install a throwaway piece of software in whatever ecosystem I want to try out. I can probably make the buildPythonPackage thing work for python, because I know python… but if I have to do that for a nodejs project? or a ruby project? When I just want to use the output of the package? That is a ton of work to use a nix system… is that really the only way?






  • Yea, it is losing the forest for the trees. Next should be taught as part of iterators and for loops. It makes sense there. It doesn’t really stand on its own much.

    To be honest, I’m not sure why it is a built in function… I feel like saying that python calls the ‘next’ function of your class when iterating is enough. But maybe I’m missing something.



  • The value of cargo and go tools doesn’t come from the all-in-one nature of them, it comes from the official nature of them.

    If something doesn’t work with cargo, it is a bug. Period. There isn’t any “it works with pip” back and forth arguing over whose fault it actually is (package? Or poetry/pipenv/pip-tools/conda/etc? This happened with pytorch a while ago, and I’m not sure if poetry and pytorch get along even now)

    There also isn’t any debate over project files or configuration stuff — Pyproject.toml vs setup.cfg vs random dot files in the project directory — if you are a currently developed project you support whatever cargo supports and you move to support the latest format rather than dragging your feet for years (pyproject.toml has been the “next thing” for python since 2016! And is only finally getting widespread support now… 7 years later).