Critical support to Donald Trump in his mission to undermine the amerikkkan state, bless him for not hiring people to the state department and congratulations for his negotiation of capitulation to the Taliban

Americrackers and their vassals

If “the west” isn’t voting for Bush or Reagan then they’re hailing people like Obama, who destroyed Libya and brought back open air slave markets - or Clinton who destroyed Belgrade and undermined social protections for workers. To think you are somehow better because you support(ed?) Genocide Joe is just delusion.

Conscription of grandma helps the numbers

But where would the cia get their off the books coup, kill and destabilisation slush fund from if we did that?

It’s not a “dox” it’s just some light shaming of a comrade for having a wrong position on an important issue.

I don’t have a personal vendetta against them, I’m not bothered enough to look into their past comments nor am I automatically going to be hostile to other comments they make on other issues - I just hope they will educate themselves on this issue and abandon whatever latent liberalism they may still have within themselves.

I replied to your comment about Ethan “not being a zionist” by pointing out that his support for “resistance in Gaza and the West Bank” doesn’t mean he isn’t a zionist.

A zionist is any one who supports the existence of a self proclaimed Jewish ethnostate - whether that state is limited to the '67 borders or encompasses a concept of “Greater Israel”

You say that we should care about support from the “western world” and “Israeli citizens”

You are justifying continuing settler colonialism by crying about Israelis born inside the settler colonial state.

You claim we want the same thing “a secular state for everyone” but this is not what I want and is not a correct prioritisation of need for the Palestinian people. The first thing that must be done is to free Palestine from zionist oppression. I will support the Palestinian people achieving their liberation under any system they chose - it is not necessary that it be secular, if Islamists are the only ones fighting for the freedom of Palestine then we should support them in doing so.

As for a state “for everyone” - this is not possible nor necessarily a worthwhile goal - should zionist war criminals be allowed to stay even if they refuse to acknowledge Palestinian rights?

Why should anyone care about what settlers or imperialists think? They are NOT going to concede just because we speak softer or criticise less.

I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of people here understand this position - see the votes and comments. I shouldn’t need to have to explain this in such a forum, this is supposed to be an anti-imperialist and and anti-zionist community and you need to do some self reflection with regard to your position on this issue.

“You want to be a cop/soldier/agent? What’s more appealing to you, shooting brown people or being a jackboot for our capitalist overlords?”

Don’t be nice to acquaintances, stinging critique will stay on their mind more than gently prodding them. If it’s friends or family and you think they won’t want to talk to you if you use such rhetoric then maybe you hold their hand and try and engage in a longer, more nuanced and less hostile discussion but be clear about your views and present them evidence as to what these organisations really are.

Cop? What happens to do gooder whistle blowing types? They die.

Soldiers? What the fuck were they doing protecting poppy plantations in Afghanistan?

CIA? show then the Stockwell interviews on what they did

Fbi? Murdered Fred Hampton

Just to clarify, especially given that my replies got deleted with the deletion the above and other statements by mods, I consider the entire state of Israel to be illegitimate, I reject the UN partition plan, I reject the '67 borders and I hope to see an integral Palestine on all Palestinian land from The River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.

I will only “moderate” my position if a majority of Palestinian comrades wish to compromise under some agreement they deem acceptable. I doubt this will occur since the zionists have shown themselves unwilling to negotiate, going so far as to kill their leadership when even small concessions have been offered, negotiating in bad faith and abusing anything open to interpretation for their own benefit.

The imperialist powers and the zionist occupiers will not “see reason” because we moderate our stances, such thinking is pure idealism, there are real material interests that make any sort of “deal” temporary at best and most likely impossible.

Palestine will achieve it’s liberation with or - most likely - without the support of imperialist nations.

The IOF are not invincible, they still haven’t dared to put troops into Gaza.

Should I condemn Hamas for resorting to armed resistance when peaceful means have failed? No.

Should I coddle the zionists with soothing words? No.

The people who run the USA aren’t going to listen to reason, they have material interest in supporting Isn’treal and that will trump whatever idealistic appeals we may put forward.

I don’t care to moderate my position unless a majority of Palestinian comrades demand we do so.

I don’t give a fuck what imperialist nations or settlers want.

I am entitled to an Israeli passport, my ancestors were detained in concentration camps, forced out of their work by nazis and I am not going to contribute in any way to supporting similar crimes.

Israel must be abolished and only those that accept a Palestinian state on all Palestinian land may be allowed to stay.

You are being the white moderate that Martin Luther King spoke of.

There can be no compromise with people intent on committing genocide.

If the position is that Palestinians can fight to liberate the West Bank & Gaza but not ALL of Palestine then that would be a zionist position even if it isn’t Greater Isn’treal advocacy

Is it that Richard Spencer?

Welcome

Anyone crying about muslim “terrorists” needs to learn about Lehi/Irgun and what they did and called themselves.

Anyone crying “it’s the only democracy” needs to answer why an Israeli born in the west bank gets to vote but a Palestinian born in west bank doesn’t.

Anyone opposing Palestinian liberation needs to answer if they acknowledge the genocide being perpetrated against Palestinians. Either they are ignorant or will reveal themselves as genocide supporters.

Perhaps it’s because they already have these basic necessities covered by their wage and don’t see how such things being free would enrich their lives. Free money is more money and they perceive that as a universal improvement.

Talking to people who struggled to give their children an education during lock downs - who can’t afford even twenty dollars a month for Internet, who struggle to afford bus fares and pens and paper for their children - making such things free is very popular down here.

Ubi is still subject to the same question of who will pay for it, interesting how workers in the core perceive their tax refund as some form of “free money” and not what it really is.

Under a free market system most of the increase in workers purchasing power would translate into bid up rent prices and higher profits for landleeches, higher rents and not much benefit for the ordinary worker.

The proposals for ubi presented by presidential candidate Andrew Yang would require recipients to stop recieving other forms of government assistance - no more food stamps, no disability benefits, no housing assistance. This would endanger disabled comrades and put them in s position of relative disadvantage and take away their currently existing accommodations within society. While the average worker may be slightly better off with ubi, a disabled person would receive much less benefit from such a change in the system.

Many proponents of ubi wish to tie it to the undoing of minimum wage laws, claiming that ubi would offset the need for such protections.

Who would pay for it? Rich people have found a myriad of wayd of avoiding taxation and so the burden of ubi may well fall on workers themselves, with higher taxes offsetting the direct payment of ubi - this may benefit lower paid workers slightly but would cause division between higher paid workers and lower paid workers. It may well end up having s very similar effect to the prebate/negative tax systems favored by libertarians.

Ultimately as Marxists we seek to empower workers with ownership over the means of production, ubi is just some crumbs thrown at workers by the owners of the means of production - tho likely paid for by the workers themselves. It will dampen revolutionary energy and cause increasing division within and with the outside of society.

Will migrants be eligible? If not will we create an underclass of struggling workers excluded from the ubi programme, unable to afford higher rents. Will this not lead to calls to restrict migration/extension of citizenship?

As a resident of the global south, where discussion of ubi is almost nonexistent and the likelihood of such programmes being implemented is very low - it seems like ubi is just rich nation people arguing over how to divide the spoils of empire and I’m pretty sure it will in no way benefit the poorest people on earth. If rich nations want to offer cash money to people in the global south, that would be great but let’s be real - that is not what is being proposed. All we will see is higher barriers to migration.

As Marxists we are not asking for “free” money. We are asking for fair pay. Ubi is a right wing band aid on capitalism and not something we can endorse. If implemented it would only make worse the situation for the poorest.

Making basic necessities (housing, public transport, food, electricity, water, internet) free at the point of use would be a better programme and one that perhaps we could find some liberal allies to support.

They could feed their people, they just don’t care to.

Citizenship is extremely hard to obtain - basically impossible, a few western comrades have achieved it but their contribution to the PRC was extraordinary.

Without a university degree it’s not possible to obtain a work visa.

If you want to move to move to China you’re going to have to improve yourself so that you won’t be a burden upon their society first. Complete a university degree in a useful field first.

This may not be what you were hoping to hear but this is the reality of the situation.

There are programmes that can help you obtain a GED at minimal cost. Once you’ve finished your high school equivalent qualification, you can get government grants or loans to obtain higher education. Most debts are unlikely to follow you if you move far away.

The days of China accepting people just for being white westerners are over. Please consider continuing with your education even if you are worried about being “too old”

Maybe she shouldn’t have defended/slept with that collaborationist fascist cop but yeah no comparison with the crimes of Dukat