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  • I don’t disagree with you at all, the PA is a puppet of the Israeli state. Hamas was absolutely democratically elected, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t corrupt! To be completely fair I can’t think of any politician or group vying for political power that isn’t corrupt to some degree.


  • timidgoat@lemmy.catoGeopolitics@lemmy.caDo you condemn Hamas?
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    17 days ago

    This is a question that I have struggled to answer since October 7. I have been an ally of the Palestinian struggle for a number of years, consider myself to be fairly well read on the issue.

    I cannot condone the killing of civilians, whether that be at the hands of the IOF, Hamas, or the PLO in the days of their radical actions, however I also don’t feel as though I am in a place to criticize a group of people undergoing armed resistance. I don’t know what it is like to live under occupation, under siege, have family members killed for the occupier, ethnically cleansed, etc.

    Do I wish October 7 did not happen? Of course.

    Do I wish there wasn’t a reason for October 7 to happen in the first place? Most definitely.

    Hamas is corrupt, and a nasty organization in many ways, but if it wasn’t them taking up arms, it’d be another group and I don’t feel comfortable condemning a resistance group from my cozy western privileged life.


  • I don’t think they care whether they are legitimate or not to be completely honest. Hamas won the election in '06 fair and square, then defended against an attempted coup…whether that leaves them as a legitimate power or not is beyond my scope of understanding. One could probably also argue that they lack of elections for the last 18 years makes them illegitimate. But regardless, Hamas is an easy excuse whether they were elected fairly today or 18 years ago. I honestly don’t think Israel would treat Hamas and Palestinians any differently if they won a fair election again next week.








  • I think it’s important to remember that for most people, anti-Israel does not mean Israel cannot exist at all. It is that the Israel we know, cannot continue to exist in the way that it is. Similarly to being anti-South African apartheid did not mean all the settlers had to be leave, it meant the country had to fundamentally change the way it operates and treated the its citizens.

    To add, if you are calling yourself pro-Israel, I think you should be aware that for most people that means you are a-okay with how Israel has been oppressing and murdering Palestinians for decades.