• rottingleaf
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    11 days ago

    Any circumvention argument misses the point.

    90% of people won’t. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It’s the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.

    It’s like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what’s there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that’s another story.

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      10 days ago

      Wait till they make TOR illegal and force people to mask TOR traffic to look like HTTPS. Then produce a stream of rubbish alongside said HTTPS traffic so as to fool authorities. Lol at them thinking non-profit tech gurus are going to give them cake

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        10 days ago

        You are answering a comment explaining why this is bullshit. “Gurus” are sufficiently rare to have other kinds of surveillance.

        For some reason in every bad event there are plenty of people thinking evil is stupid.

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          10 days ago

          What I’m trying to say is said gurus will build something that the masses can use (to the extent of the masses that know what Threema and Briar are).

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            10 days ago

            My third sentence still applies. Do you realize that the situation presented is one with backdoors on every device and criminal responsibility for bypassing\removing those?

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              10 days ago

              Yes, and this will affect everyone. Which is why I’m hopeful that organisations like the EFF, the TOR browser’s foundation, Graphene OS and the general Android community comes up with something that will prevent this. I hope this will push for greater efforts in obfuscation of traffic from TOR, I2P, Freenet, Wireguard and the like along with better education amongst the general population.

              You could call me naive though, I suppose. Perhaps I expect too much

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                10 days ago

                Police checks your phone and finds the banned piece of software.

                Or your ISP detects traffic from something which is not reported by the backdoor on your phone.

                There are so many ways.

                There is no technological solution to a power problem. Power solutions to power problems include riots, revolutions, assassinations …

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                  10 days ago

                  Oh, so TOR, Graphene OS and Signal will be banned then? We’re going towards a dystopia where the police control which apps you can and can’t install?

                  Yeah I see your point

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                    10 days ago

                    Well, they are talking about “local scanning” or something, so that’s what I’d imagine.