tuesday was the last hope. we are living the worst-case scenario and it’s not going to get better. figure out what you need to do to get out of the country NOW. you have a little less than 2 months
I am having this conversation with my wife. I’m 16 years into a military career (so 4 years from retirement), and she was talking about moving to Canada. So for a thought exercise, I looked it up, and with my skill set it would be pretty doable.
But I reminded her that we aren’t the ones in danger. A cis-het white family of natively-born Americans in the military with the economic stability to fly to Canada on a moments notice for an abortion (she was worried about our daughter) is not in particular danger. But us leaving means we can’t fight against this, and makes it worse for those who can’t just leave.
We’ll see how it is in 2029 when I’m due to retire, if the country can pull its head out of its ass or if Project 2025 goes full swing followed by no legitimate election. But for now, we’ll stay and push back.
Genuine question: AFAIK the Republicans would like to use the US Military against its own people, as well as disband institutions like the FBI. What would you do if they actually went ahead with that?
I am not in the part of the military they would send for that. But if it were to happen in general? I am not going to pretend to know what I would do until the event actually came up.
Incidentally, when I joined the branch I did, one of the recruiters asked me why I specifically wanted the Coast Guard. I told him if I decide to join something, and doing that put me in a position where I had to do something morally reprehensible to survive (like shoot a 12-year-old protecting his home in some far off country), the fact I had no choice in the moment would be irrelevant, as my choices put me in that position. There’s nothing morally ambiguous about saving a person from drowning. (Side note, he thought that was a terrible reason, and I think that guy can fuck himself). So not being put in a position to be used against my own country can be added to that as well (except enforcing boating safety, PUT A LIFE JACKET ON YOUR KID GODDAMMIT).
Oh, and all that was before I learned about the migrant and drug interdiction missions in the Coast Guard, so now I just try to avoid Florida and Southern California for where I get stationed.
You’re right that leaving is your best bet. That isn’t a reality for millions of queer people, however. Leaving isn’t always feasible, or many of the queer people still in deep red states would already be gone.
It’s time for us to make moves to prepare ourselves to contend with this administration and political agenda. Networks need to be made, connections between suppliers of DIY hormones and communities at risk of losing Healthcare need to be established.
As much as we need to help people get out, we also need to confront the fact that not everyone can, and this is the reality we live in now. I’m just saying, “Get out while you still can” isn’t enough. We need to ready ourselves for a much more long-term fight against this system. Everyone who can should be getting involved.
That’s good advice, though I may have heard concerning stuff about Signal recently? Maybe not, kinda hard to keep up with everything.
By and large though I think it’s wise for folks who could end up targets to do what you’re saying, and to get safe communications operational at a minimum, now, while it’s still easy to do.
I have some skepticism about whether the worst will come to pass, but it’s wise to prepare in ways like this.
I have some skepticism about whether the worst will come to pass.
Homosexuality has been illegal in the not too distant past as has “sodomy”
I thought I also saw something about signal being an issue as well but I didn’t remember what the problem was. They did recently introduce usernames and the ability to keep your phone number secret. You still have to use a phone number to create an account. It’s also the app that is targeted the most by nation-states trying to decrypt it. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that it has been decrypted but they wouldn’t use that to go after the average person and only use it to spy on other countries.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that it has been decrypted
I don’t think we need this sort of fear-mongering. Signal’s encryption is fully open source, it has been vetted by cryptographers far more experienced with this stuff than you or I. They even introduced, a few years back, an encryption algorithm that’s future-proof against quantum computing.
All you are doing is potentially pushing people away from one of the few known-safe options. That’s the opposite of helpful.
Thanks for the info on Signal. I’m under no illusions about the severity of our situation, truly. I know our history, and I know the history of fascism elsewhere. And I see what’s happening in front of us.
Also, the US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to. Canada, most of the EU, and much the Western world at large will really only let you immigrate permanently if you have an ancestral claim that you can directly prove, or if you have certain degrees or skills.
The same issue still arises, that the people who need to immigrate most, cannot afford to and won’t be allowed into our country. If you want to change that, get your arse down to your local MPs office and push for asylum status for trans americans.
No. Stay and deal with your mess and reap what you sowed. Leave us out of it. Don’t come here and exacerbate our already bad housing crisis, and create more competition for jobs. Last thing we need is Americans spreading out and making other countries stupid like them.
no one owes americans anything. those of us who voted for harriss hoping for things to get better need to come to terms with the fact that the world fucking hates americans, regardless of what we believe
yes, americans are mind-bogglingly stupid, only because no one did anything to address that problem
Uh, I don’t think Canada wants to have a bunch of disgruntled Americans immigrating up. The Americans as a whole broke your country and you have to live with that and push for better turn out next time instead of just invading into another country.
Pssh, I’m from Canada, I say let the gays come on up. Gays, make sure to check out where you’re moving to though. We’re always importing american politics, and you couldn’t pay me to visit Alberta right now.
Why don’t you want to support your fellow humans when they’re being repressed? We’re in a comment thread about an article where the newly elected administration is telling people that they want to criminalize and punish people because of their orientation and expression.
Project 2025 says that being in drag is a sex crime against children, and that pedophiles should be punished by death. Read: trans people should be put to death.
If your heart isn’t open to asylum seekers, then who is it open for?
They will let them in if they meet the qualifications as usual. But they have limited slots and favor people who fit needed careers. Like medical, tech, etc. additionally, a chunk of savings is usually desirable.
Canada won’t complain about getting a ton of extra highly trained people working remote jobs bringing in money as long as they are not dependent on social services.
But… there are a ton of Americans and not a lot of Canadian housing.
It’s unfortunately very difficult to up and immigrate to Canada. You typically need a spouse who is a citizen, or have a very valuable skillset to offer. I believe you can come here as a foreign worker and apply for permanent residency after working full-time for a year, but I don’t know what the stipulations or rate of acceptance is there.
I personally immigrated here from the States back in 2017 to be with my wife, and the process was grueling. They require a lot of evidence to prove the relationship was not initiated with the intent of immigrating.
tuesday was the last hope. we are living the worst-case scenario and it’s not going to get better. figure out what you need to do to get out of the country NOW. you have a little less than 2 months
Not everyone will have the resources to do so. Don’t throw these people to the wolves.
In order to help everyone: Start mutual aid networks. Help your siblings and build dual power from the ground up.
agreed. if you can’t leave, then you really need to start organizing. covertly
I am having this conversation with my wife. I’m 16 years into a military career (so 4 years from retirement), and she was talking about moving to Canada. So for a thought exercise, I looked it up, and with my skill set it would be pretty doable.
But I reminded her that we aren’t the ones in danger. A cis-het white family of natively-born Americans in the military with the economic stability to fly to Canada on a moments notice for an abortion (she was worried about our daughter) is not in particular danger. But us leaving means we can’t fight against this, and makes it worse for those who can’t just leave.
We’ll see how it is in 2029 when I’m due to retire, if the country can pull its head out of its ass or if Project 2025 goes full swing followed by no legitimate election. But for now, we’ll stay and push back.
Genuine question: AFAIK the Republicans would like to use the US Military against its own people, as well as disband institutions like the FBI. What would you do if they actually went ahead with that?
I am not in the part of the military they would send for that. But if it were to happen in general? I am not going to pretend to know what I would do until the event actually came up.
Incidentally, when I joined the branch I did, one of the recruiters asked me why I specifically wanted the Coast Guard. I told him if I decide to join something, and doing that put me in a position where I had to do something morally reprehensible to survive (like shoot a 12-year-old protecting his home in some far off country), the fact I had no choice in the moment would be irrelevant, as my choices put me in that position. There’s nothing morally ambiguous about saving a person from drowning. (Side note, he thought that was a terrible reason, and I think that guy can fuck himself). So not being put in a position to be used against my own country can be added to that as well (except enforcing boating safety, PUT A LIFE JACKET ON YOUR KID GODDAMMIT).
Oh, and all that was before I learned about the migrant and drug interdiction missions in the Coast Guard, so now I just try to avoid Florida and Southern California for where I get stationed.
You’re right that leaving is your best bet. That isn’t a reality for millions of queer people, however. Leaving isn’t always feasible, or many of the queer people still in deep red states would already be gone.
It’s time for us to make moves to prepare ourselves to contend with this administration and political agenda. Networks need to be made, connections between suppliers of DIY hormones and communities at risk of losing Healthcare need to be established.
As much as we need to help people get out, we also need to confront the fact that not everyone can, and this is the reality we live in now. I’m just saying, “Get out while you still can” isn’t enough. We need to ready ourselves for a much more long-term fight against this system. Everyone who can should be getting involved.
Disagree, the most vulnerable who can’t leave need our help. Stay.
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That’s good advice, though I may have heard concerning stuff about Signal recently? Maybe not, kinda hard to keep up with everything.
By and large though I think it’s wise for folks who could end up targets to do what you’re saying, and to get safe communications operational at a minimum, now, while it’s still easy to do.
I have some skepticism about whether the worst will come to pass, but it’s wise to prepare in ways like this.
Every time people find a supposed security flaws with signal it turns out to be nothing, so signal is probably fine.
Good enough for me, and ultimately “good enough” is about as good as anything is gonna get.
Homosexuality has been illegal in the not too distant past as has “sodomy”
I thought I also saw something about signal being an issue as well but I didn’t remember what the problem was. They did recently introduce usernames and the ability to keep your phone number secret. You still have to use a phone number to create an account. It’s also the app that is targeted the most by nation-states trying to decrypt it. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that it has been decrypted but they wouldn’t use that to go after the average person and only use it to spy on other countries.
I don’t think we need this sort of fear-mongering. Signal’s encryption is fully open source, it has been vetted by cryptographers far more experienced with this stuff than you or I. They even introduced, a few years back, an encryption algorithm that’s future-proof against quantum computing.
All you are doing is potentially pushing people away from one of the few known-safe options. That’s the opposite of helpful.
Thanks for the info on Signal. I’m under no illusions about the severity of our situation, truly. I know our history, and I know the history of fascism elsewhere. And I see what’s happening in front of us.
saving this
I just mean the literal very worst. I’m not downplaying the situation.
Lol no one wants us
i mean… I don’t want us. can you blame them?
If it’s someone who wants to leave, they’re obviously not part of the shitheads that voted in fascism.
Also, the US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to. Canada, most of the EU, and much the Western world at large will really only let you immigrate permanently if you have an ancestral claim that you can directly prove, or if you have certain degrees or skills.
Pick countries that are geographically distant from maga land.
Australia could use more Greens/Labor voters. Please come dilute the LibNat vote.
The same issue still arises, that the people who need to immigrate most, cannot afford to and won’t be allowed into our country. If you want to change that, get your arse down to your local MPs office and push for asylum status for trans americans.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/18299207
No. Stay and deal with your mess and reap what you sowed. Leave us out of it. Don’t come here and exacerbate our already bad housing crisis, and create more competition for jobs. Last thing we need is Americans spreading out and making other countries stupid like them.
no one owes americans anything. those of us who voted for harriss hoping for things to get better need to come to terms with the fact that the world fucking hates americans, regardless of what we believe
yes, americans are mind-bogglingly stupid, only because no one did anything to address that problem
Uh, I don’t think Canada wants to have a bunch of disgruntled Americans immigrating up. The Americans as a whole broke your country and you have to live with that and push for better turn out next time instead of just invading into another country.
LOL it’s astounding to me, that people still think there will be a “next time” for voting
dig up your american souls and 1776 this shit my friends.
Pssh, I’m from Canada, I say let the gays come on up. Gays, make sure to check out where you’re moving to though. We’re always importing american politics, and you couldn’t pay me to visit Alberta right now.
Why don’t you want to support your fellow humans when they’re being repressed? We’re in a comment thread about an article where the newly elected administration is telling people that they want to criminalize and punish people because of their orientation and expression.
Project 2025 says that being in drag is a sex crime against children, and that pedophiles should be punished by death. Read: trans people should be put to death.
If your heart isn’t open to asylum seekers, then who is it open for?
They will let them in if they meet the qualifications as usual. But they have limited slots and favor people who fit needed careers. Like medical, tech, etc. additionally, a chunk of savings is usually desirable.
Canada won’t complain about getting a ton of extra highly trained people working remote jobs bringing in money as long as they are not dependent on social services.
But… there are a ton of Americans and not a lot of Canadian housing.
It’s unfortunately very difficult to up and immigrate to Canada. You typically need a spouse who is a citizen, or have a very valuable skillset to offer. I believe you can come here as a foreign worker and apply for permanent residency after working full-time for a year, but I don’t know what the stipulations or rate of acceptance is there.
I personally immigrated here from the States back in 2017 to be with my wife, and the process was grueling. They require a lot of evidence to prove the relationship was not initiated with the intent of immigrating.
There’s a whole South Park episode about that, if I’m not mistaken.
countries are just lines on the ground. How vastly different are people from Windsor and Detroit?
Same for the two Nogales.