• stoy
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    Back during the Cold War, the leaders seemed to at least have some semblance of self perservation of their nation.

    Right now, we have two leaders who don’t give a shit about their nations, they are justs the excuse and the means to an end for them.

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        There are currently three nations with these types of leaders that are capable of inflicting dammage on eachother.

        The USA, Russia and China.

        Two of them seems to have lost all sense of reality, The US and Russia, one of which is currently engaged in a war, Russia.

        China is happy to just take a bigger piece of the pie from the US and Russia.

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          one of which is currently engaged in a war, Russia.

          The US is, as usual, still engaged in a bunch of proxy wars

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            Proxy wars are in fact good. Please allow me to explain what I mean.

            Of course, the ideal state is full peace, no wars be they proxy or otherwise. For various reasons, that seems to be impossible for the super powers to achieve. Be it greed or the (perceived or real) need to shape the strategical interests of said super powers, it appears sometime wars are the only solution leaders have at their disposal (again, there is an argument against this, but leaders often seem to choose war).

            Why are proxy wars “better”, then? Because they allow the pretending of not being involved. Because they allow the defeated super power to lose without actually losing a war. Proxy wars allow an easy out. It is far easier to explain to proud super power’s citizens that some nation somewhere lost the war, but not us.

            Also full war, engages all of said countries assets, including the nuclear weapons. One of the very real issues with the war in Ukraine is that Russia very often threatens with nuclear strikes and, even if they aren’t serious about it this still leads to escalation and for the other countries to consider the real possibility of nuclear war. If the war in Ukraine would be waged by a proxy of Russia, let’s say Belarus, it would be much more difficult to even have those nuclear threats. Russia would not be able to keep saying they are not involved while threatening with nukes.

            In conclusion, proxy wars are the ‘sane’ (if you can call it that) solution to wars between super powers.

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            Is it still proxy if you have military bases and boots on the the ground on foreign territory

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        Well, I thought Modi was the greatest risk to ending all life on earth, but now its Trump again.