I was there on reddit and at the beginning of hexbear. I thought about coming back. But, right now hexbear is tolerating a culture that equates good faith disagreement with a personal attack, that makes shallow judgments, that’s far too ready to attack without wisdom. Good faith discussion with a hexbear user appears to be the exception, not the rule it once was.
Over the decades I’ve followed the vanguard from movement to movement as each scales and then fails. I’d perceive this as the beginning of the end. But, none of the other movements began with such sound ideology. Recovery may be possible here where it was not elsewhere.
I may once again join you. But, not today. I don’t have the resources to invest what I believe is the bare minimum required to serve the community.
Good faith discussion with a hexbear user appears to be the exception, not the rule it once was.
This is a lie we were never good faith. We have never shown good faith to assholes who waste our time. We aren’t Dems. We don’t play along with people that set off our bullshit detectors out of fear we might look mean, because we know how to spot dog whistles and slimey attempts to disrupt a mile away. You’re not as hidden as you think you are.
There seems to be one particular troll who obsessed with us single handedly bringing about the revolution.
It’s quite rude really, completely ignoring Lemmygrad’s important efforts to prevent the people from ever rising up for the One True Correct Path of Socialism.
I agree that right now hexbear is mostly full of shit and that it’s unlikely anyone is currently organizing there. For example, I just said that above but you didn’t bother to read and think before speaking.
I’m glad we’ve now this common context. But, I fear what qualifies as a “discussion” to someone who starts off so poorly.
Don’t get snotty about me when you’ve fundamentally misunderstood what I said. I was not agreeing with you at all; Nobody ever has, nor ever will use this as a place for organising, because that is not what Hexbear is for. Do not try to organise here. This is not your local community, it is not an organisational hub, it is not a political party of any form. Hexbear is a social network for a wide range of leftists to hang out in - you have completely misunderstood the point of the website if you are in any way considering it a place for action.
Is this another Voight alt? You don’t understand subsets, you think everyone who disagrees with you is the same person on alts, and you’re fixated on Hexbear as an organisational hub. You gotta be Voight.
I’m going to ask you what should be asked of everyone who makes these sorts of claims about Hexbear: can you provide us with even a single example of such bad faith discussions that you claim are happening?
As an admin of the site, I’d love to hear your specific and named criticisms of the site. I would greatly appreciate examples of flaws within the Hexbear site culture and some recommendations on how you feel we can recover the site to a revolutionary platform with sound ideological foundations.
What? Since when should we let proven assholes have a seat at the table? This person is a classist, fuck them. Three years ago the admins would be sending them ppb themselves.
You may speak to me as a moderator and in private. I’ll provide an example, nothing more, and only under the condition that you don’t subsequently bother me with whatever it is you or anyone else thinks about it.
I’ll help in this limited fashion only because you’ve solicited and also sit in a position of authority. If I had the resources to really give a fuck about this then I’d already have registered an account and composed a post.
Edit: Regardless, I will disengage from this thread entirely.
Edit 2: As expected, the “moderator” didn’t bother to message me.
Edit 3: The moderator has now messaged me. I lacked patience.
hexbear is tolerating a culture that equates good faith disagreement with a personal attack, that makes shallow judgments, that’s far too ready to attack without wisdom. Good faith discussion with a hexbear user appears to be the exception, not the rule it once was.
sounds like you’ve been speeding too much time on .world. I generally see/have good faith discussions predominate here unless a gets lost over here
I was there on reddit and at the beginning of hexbear. I thought about coming back. But, right now hexbear is tolerating a culture that equates good faith disagreement with a personal attack, that makes shallow judgments, that’s far too ready to attack without wisdom. Good faith discussion with a hexbear user appears to be the exception, not the rule it once was.
Over the decades I’ve followed the vanguard from movement to movement as each scales and then fails. I’d perceive this as the beginning of the end. But, none of the other movements began with such sound ideology. Recovery may be possible here where it was not elsewhere.
I may once again join you. But, not today. I don’t have the resources to invest what I believe is the bare minimum required to serve the community.
This is a lie we were never good faith. We have never shown good faith to assholes who waste our time. We aren’t Dems. We don’t play along with people that set off our bullshit detectors out of fear we might look mean, because we know how to spot dog whistles and slimey attempts to disrupt a mile away. You’re not as hidden as you think you are.
The good faith disagreement: racism, transphobia, pro genocide
Damn I wonder why people take it as a personal attack
They’re a cop’s husband so what do you expect?
Sib what the fuck are you talking about, this is a shit posting website. You are not organising here.
There seems to be one particular troll who obsessed with us single handedly bringing about the revolution.
They keep coming back and concern trolling and they’re just really really mad that our tactic is to have fun.
Remember, you can only build communism if you’re super miserable about it.
It’s quite rude really, completely ignoring Lemmygrad’s important efforts to prevent the people from ever rising up for the One True Correct Path of Socialism.
I agree that right now hexbear is mostly full of shit and that it’s unlikely anyone is currently organizing there. For example, I just said that above but you didn’t bother to read and think before speaking.
I’m glad we’ve now this common context. But, I fear what qualifies as a “discussion” to someone who starts off so poorly.
Could i be a smug reddit brained asshole?
No, it’s hexbears who are wrong
Don’t get snotty about me when you’ve fundamentally misunderstood what I said. I was not agreeing with you at all; Nobody ever has, nor ever will use this as a place for organising, because that is not what Hexbear is for. Do not try to organise here. This is not your local community, it is not an organisational hub, it is not a political party of any form. Hexbear is a social network for a wide range of leftists to hang out in - you have completely misunderstood the point of the website if you are in any way considering it a place for action.
Was it organizing when we created hexbear, funded it, and hashed out the rules together?
Is education part of organizing?
I find your comment laughable, particularly because you’ve flaunted your PhD in your username.
It was organizing to create a lemmy replacement for the cth sub, not towards any irl political goal
Yes, but not all education is necessarily towards the goal of organizing
Ok you got me, good troll
You responded from the wrong alt with a series of three logical fallacies.
Is this another Voight alt? You don’t understand subsets, you think everyone who disagrees with you is the same person on alts, and you’re fixated on Hexbear as an organisational hub. You gotta be Voight.
I bet they aren’t even a real owl.
The most scathing insult you can direct at a Hexbear
I for one, fardded and shidded my pants, so thanks a lot for that!
I’m going to ask you what should be asked of everyone who makes these sorts of claims about Hexbear: can you provide us with even a single example of such bad faith discussions that you claim are happening?
As an admin of the site, I’d love to hear your specific and named criticisms of the site. I would greatly appreciate examples of flaws within the Hexbear site culture and some recommendations on how you feel we can recover the site to a revolutionary platform with sound ideological foundations.
You want to take advice from this fucking ghoul? lmao
Is this…. a mutual aid comment? What on earth?
it was a response in another thread to someone who had a post up in mutual aid asking for help with rent
I’m curious what input this person has, and there’s no better way to make it clear that we operate in good faith than to let people speak their piece.
As far as taking that advice goes, obviously we’re going to use good judgment.
What? Since when should we let proven assholes have a seat at the table? This person is a classist, fuck them. Three years ago the admins would be sending them ppb themselves.
Of course they’re an asshole. And they’re banned. But part of acting in good faith is letting people speak their piece.
They were mad about a thread where they got dunked on because their wife used to be a cop pr person basically, and now does HR. Lmao.
Lmao my bad I missuderstood. Keep up the good work my friend
You may speak to me as a moderator and in private. I’ll provide an example, nothing more, and only under the condition that you don’t subsequently bother me with whatever it is you or anyone else thinks about it.
I’ll help in this limited fashion only because you’ve solicited and also sit in a position of authority. If I had the resources to really give a fuck about this then I’d already have registered an account and composed a post.
Edit: Regardless, I will disengage from this thread entirely.
Edit 2: As expected, the “moderator” didn’t bother to message me.
Edit 3: The moderator has now messaged me. I lacked patience.
This is a good bit lmao
Demanding patience from Hexbear and then ending by demonstrating your own lack of patience was mwa
Its only been 1.5 hours!
They had something come up and have now messaged me. I’ve edited my comment above.
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Even someone with a relatively sane and informed post history such as yourself can’t handle the softest of criticism without mockery such as,
Then, the vanguard usually defects.
I’ve seen it all before. And, I’ll see it all again.
What does this mean?
Bro, what are you even talking about lmao
apologies, I’m late to seeing this exchange but I just want to say
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