For instance, I have an aunt who is definitely MAGA, and is flirting with Q-Anon ideas. However, she has pretty good views on the environment and animal rights. For instance, after travelling to Ecuador, she donates to some Ecuadorian land trust run by locals. However, if you start talking to her about the border or gender, she goes full Orbán.

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      China has a massive state surveillance and censorship apparatus,

      Gee, I wonder why

      There’s no way you can maintain control over your nation and protect your people against CIA / State Department coups without having an extremely large and effective surveillance apparatus.

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        It does far, far more than monitor for spies.

        I agree with you that in a world where any state has an intelligence agency, every state needs its own intelligence agency.

        I am not even coming close to defending the CIA, but its possible that the enemy of my enemy is not actually always a great way to run a society.

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          This is just idealism. If the CIA exists and will without fail try to undermine your socialist project, there is no possible alternative way to run your society. Not until the CIA is gone, or toothless.

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      my brother is a tankie

      Team up and deprogram your dad, then knife fight in the backyard later 👍

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        They already teamed up and made me homeless.

        Anyway, its not possible to deprogram my Dad. Tried for years. He’s never wrong you see, because what about this unrelated complex topic he has no understanding of? He is a master of gish gallop and rhetorical trickery, and when he actually does obviously lose an argument he just laughs.

        Tankie brother? Maybe possible to deprogram, but it would be pointless. He is massively neurotic, depressed and highly manipulative. Also very anti social.

        Never took any of my advice relating to my decade of experience in the tech industry, never listened to what i was saying about econ or poli sci until a youtuber he watches told him about it, despite my degrees in econ and poli sci. And then he would either gaslight me and tell him that i did not actually tell him what i told him 6 months ago, or he would have a depressive breakdown and need my forgiveness and support everyday for 2 months.

        I /could/ easily beat him in a knife fight, but at this point I am content for him to live the rest of his life knowing what he did to me and being a neurotic guilt ridden mess about it, while I sleep soundly on the other side of the county, never speaking to him again.

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      I get what you’re saying about the anarchists, but I have to point out that anarchism is a threat both to capitalist and socialist states from definition. They don’t have to be supressed for no reason, but if they’re organised and planning to do actual revolutionary action then a state has to supress them as with any other inside threat. Socialism is still a nessecary intermediate step to communism that requires a state to defend the interests of the working class until the classes fade away and a supressing mechanism such as a state would probably be unneeded at that point.

      As of China, I’ll say that westerners are surveilled to an insane degree in the US and to a lesser degree in Europe too. I don’t like being surveilled in either case, but this is also not an inherent aspect of socialism as opposed to capitalism, it’s an inherent aspect of the state.

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        I agree with you that the logic of a state necessitates its survival over any principles it purports to uphold.

        And yes, of course Western societies have terrible surveillance apparatuses as well.

        Kind of all goes back to the whole ‘being critical of the concept of a state because it always has to maintain its own stability and existence over all other objectives’ thing.