• GregorGizeh
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    Tankies failing to comprehend the fundamental difference between an actor who tries to make money off you and an actor trying to manufacture dissent and influence the public narrative

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        Point taken, though it’s still an American company they could crack down upon if they prove too dangerous too.

        To be clear: I don’t want to get spied upon by anyone and I don’t use most of the American services for that reason. But obviously domestic bad actors are better than bad actors controlled by a foreign and hostile government

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          It’s crazy to me that people such as you unironically believe the position you’re saying that American companies are easier to crack down on.

          We are literally seeing concrete proof in action that domestic companies are much harder to crack down on or regulate. They are much better positioned to lobby and are currently using their immense political power to protect themselves while removing their foreign rivals. There isn’t even talk of taking action against them because they are so politically powerful.

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          It would be a lot better if Congress could pass a comprehensive privacy bill, but we lack a functioning government so I guess this is the best we can do.

          Greatest democracy in the world, right here.

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            … it’s obvious because a domestic entity is subject to local laws, and can if push comes to shove be shut down or nationalized. A foreign one is essentially out of reach.

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                Why is it contentious that a government can better curb foreign interference if it is done on a domestic platform? Regardless of how shitty the United States are that’s a simple fact and also practiced by China, only to a much greater extent.

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                    I have no horse in the race, I’m not an American. I don’t know or really care to what extent the corrupt shithole that is America can control its own corporations due to regulatory capture. That’s your own problem to fix.

                    All I’m arguing is that from the perspective of the us government it makes perfect sense to be wary of foreign influence before its own corps.

                    Didn’t tiktok just accidentally prove the American legislator’s argument by causing mass calls into the legislators office or something? Endless amounts of people who don’t even know why they are calling, just because “tiktok said so”. Are you telling me that isn’t a disturbing implication?

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              The existence of the article you’re literally commenting on directly refutes what you’re saying here. Like you’re in a thread because of news that demonstrates that the opposite of what you’re saying here is actually true.

              If you need more examples - What happened to Facebook after the Cambridge Analytica scandal? They got banned by congress right? They got shut down? The government stopped them from continuing to manipulate the public?

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      trying to manufacture dissent and influence the public narrative

      That shit is all over American social media too buddy. If that’s the issue it should all be banned.

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        I’m game

        The us government probably not tho

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      trying to manufacture dissent and influence the public narrative

      Damn, was Noah Chomsky talking about China in his masterclass documentary?

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        Read the other comments, I don’t want to repeat myself for every idiot jumping on the dogpile. Why does every single China fan assume I love the United States and have a blind eye towards their bullshit? I’m not an American.

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            Do you have anything substantial to add or…?

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                But I am not accusing you of anything…? Unless you think asking you to check If what you’re about to comment has been commented several times before is an accusation.

                It’s okay though I’m just about done arguing over this topic. All responses can essentially be summed up with “but the USA do it too”.

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                  You pretend you are objective, while insinuating the motive of USA companies is solely to make money and advertise, while China is the big baddie “narrative” manipulator, which is some alternate reality bullshit. China is not the country that has done foreign interventions and/or genocides in 100+ countries. Or stuff like the genocide in Myanmar which Facebook facilitated, or the intentional misreporting Reuters did during Tiananmen Square to make it look like those CIA paycheck “democracy” students who burnt PLA soldiers alive first were good people.

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                    Why are you, again, telling me that “the United States do it too”? Does it not compute that it doesn’t have any bearing on this argument?

                    From the perspective of the United States government it makes perfect sense to be hostile towards Chinese influence before its own platforms. If they wanted to curb foreign interference there, they could, their failure to do so is just a symptom of regulatory capture. That’s the whole argument here.

                    It doesn’t matter for this argument what atrocities they committed elsewhere or how poorly the country is run in various ways.

                    Besides, China does the exact same thing itself. All foreign corporations in the country operate under strict regulations or as junior partners to Chinese companies, and can and will be kicked out for much less than what tiktok does. And those corporations are not directly tied to foreign governments as tiktok is.

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      I’m surprised you didn’t get removed by a tankie mod yet. They really don’t want you to argue against TikTok in any fashion.

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        I suppose because I got downvoted so hard already I’m flying under the radar lol