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      9 months ago

      No. Misinformed. Most of them were real videos but were not related to palestine or israel.

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        9 months ago

        Is the video where toilet boxes at the music festival are getting shooted at not related to Palestine or Israel?

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                9 months ago

                I took one of first results from Google, and it says hamas published it so… You can Google for other sources if you like.

                I don’t get what you mean by not using single bullets. Are they using special bullets?

                And what does this video being legit brings to the table? It doesn’t prove that Palestinians were doing a massacre?

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                  Auto or dumping mags has been what israel is doing. They were shooting down everyone including their own people with a machine gun attached to an Apache helicopter.

                  It proves that israel was helping hamas commit the massacre to get more numbers. Also wdym by Palestinians? Hamas and Palestinians are not the same.

                  Are you being intentionally dense?

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                    9 months ago

                    Auto or dumping mags has been what israel is doing. They were shooting down everyone including their own people with a machine gun attached to an Apache helicopter.

                    It proves that israel was helping hamas commit the massacre to get more numbers.

                    I’ll skip asking why coming up with how Israel used helicopters and how does that relates to events of October 7. But I’ll ask if you mean that Israel was planning to do exactly that and even coordinated it with hamas.

                    Also wdym by Palestinians? Hamas and Palestinians are not the same.

                    Are hamas not Palestinians? Are people who attacked Israel on October 7 not Palestinians? Do hamas not recruit Palestinians?

                    Are you being intentionally dense?

                    Not sure what do you mean but I’m trying to be consistent.

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      9 months ago

      Many of the videos are real. Hamas definitely shot some civilians. The problem is all the burnt bodies.

      If you ask the question “How did Israel count 250 burnt Hamas fighters as Israeli civilians” the narrative falls apart.

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        I don’t think such a question is what a theoretical judgment should end with.

        I’d like to ask a question “is there an explanation of logic behind the attack on October 7?”.

        The only explanation I can come up with is that hamas wanted a lot of Palestinians to get killed. This fits more points in a “hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians” narrative, than any other explanation would fit the “Israel doesn’t care about Israeli” narrative.

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          The explanation is that Israel has been effectively laying seige to them for 30 years, and they found a chance to actually hurt them and seized it. There was no other choice available to them. If some Palestinians survive this, it will be more than would have survived without the 10/7 attack

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            8 months ago

            What are you talking about? Did you see Gaza population charts for last years?

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              There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.

              My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.

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                I understand what you mean here, but what you stated before basically means that somebody assumed that without October 7 attack, Palestinians will die out.

                This reminds me how Putin mentioned that one of reasons for his invasion was that Ukraine bombed Lugansk and Donetsk for 8 years, while freely available data shows that during last few years there were only about 20 casualties per year. This can’t justify the aggression, same as the above can’t justify the October 7 attack.

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                  Israel did significantly worse to Gaza prior to 10/7 than gaza has cumulatively done to Israel to date, and it’s not remotely close. An article I found from may 2021 cited 5600 dead palestinians (115,000 injured) and 250 dead Israelis (5600 injured) between 2008 and 2020. And it’s actually a bit misleading to only use numbers back to 2008, because it goes back much farther.

                  So yes, it is accurate to say that had things continued as they were going, Palestine would have fully died out in the first half of this century.

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                    it is accurate to say

                    You’re kidding. 5600 dead in a course of 12 years is not how Palestinians would be able to fully die out. You can’t justify October 7 attack with this kind of data.

                    Surely though, whatever source you got will count current deaths during the ground operation towards the record. And it won’t be exactly fair. Every spike on graphs have the reason and it’s not the “hey we didn’t kill enough Palestinians yesterday, let’s get back to work” reason. Not sure why do I even need to explain such simple things.