After reading a bit about Usenet, it seems to me as if the whole Fediverse seems to be just a reinvention of Usenet.

What’s the big difference?

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    11 months ago

    Note: Generated with GPT-4 (dont hate me :) )

    The Fediverse (with ActivityPub as its main protocol) and Usenet are both decentralized systems for distributing content across networks of computers. They’re used for communication and often form the backbone of various social media platforms and discussion forums. However, they have significant differences in terms of their origin, architecture, protocols, and usage. Let’s take a look at the distinctions between them:

    1. Origin & Era:

      • Usenet: Originated in 1979, Usenet was one of the earliest Internet systems for public discussions. It was the predecessor to many modern forms of online discussions, such as web forums and bulletin boards.
      • Fediverse/ActivityPub: The concept of the Fediverse (a portmanteau of “federation” and “universe”) emerged in the 2010s. It’s an ensemble of interconnected servers that are used for web publishing (like blogging, microblogging, video hosting) and file hosting. ActivityPub is one of the newer protocols that allows different services on the Fediverse to communicate with one another.
    2. Architecture:

      • Usenet: Uses a store-and-forward model where messages are propagated from one server to another, but not all servers retain all messages. It’s based on a newsgroup system where you can post articles that are then propagated to other Usenet servers worldwide.
      • Fediverse/ActivityPub: Is based on a federated model where each instance (or server) can communicate with others, but they are independent in terms of governance, content, and users. Each instance can apply its own policies and rules, and users of one instance can follow and interact with users from another.
    3. Content Structure:

      • Usenet: Organized around newsgroups, which are somewhat equivalent to today’s forums or bulletin boards. Each newsgroup covers a particular topic, and people post messages and replies in a threaded manner.
      • Fediverse: More diverse in content structure. Different software on the Fediverse serves different purposes. For instance, Mastodon is for microblogging (similar to Twitter), PeerTube is for video hosting, and Lemmy (which you mentioned) is more like a link aggregator or discussion platform (similar to Reddit).
    4. Protocols:

      • Usenet: Primarily uses the Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) for distributing, querying, and retrieving news articles.
      • Fediverse/ActivityPub: Utilizes ActivityPub, which is a decentralized social networking protocol. It allows user activity to be shared and understood across different services and platforms.
    5. Moderation & Control:

      • Usenet: Largely unmoderated and has been known for both the free exchange of ideas and for spam or unwanted content.
      • Fediverse: Each instance has its own moderation policies. This means one instance might be heavily moderated, while another might be more lenient.
    6. Modern Relevance:

      • Usenet: While still operational, Usenet has declined in mainstream popularity and is now mostly a niche platform.
      • Fediverse: Gaining traction, especially among those who value decentralization, privacy, and are disillusioned with mainstream social media platforms.

    In summary, while both Usenet and the Fediverse offer decentralized ways of communication, they stem from different eras, are based on different architectures and protocols, and are used in different ways today.

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      11 months ago

      This looks like written by ChatGPT, and it is in many ways straight up off-topic or wrong.

      • Origin/Era: yeah, duh. That was already stated in the question.
      • Architecture: It doesn’t actually show any differences, it just doesn’t talk about different parts of the architecture. Usenet is also federated and Fediverse instances also don’t store all messages.
      • Content structure: This is the closest to an actual answer. But from what it seems, the default use case of the Usenet is identical to Lemmy.
      • Protocols: Stated in the question. NNTP is also federated.
      • Moderation: This is straight-up wrong. There are moderated and unmoderated newsgroups, same as there are moderated and unmoderated instances/communities on the fediverse.
      • Modern Relevance: This whole section is irrelevant to the question.
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        11 months ago

        Sorry I should marked it as AI :) From my experience usenet is more uncesored compared to fediverse. The most issue with fedi is that there is no tru replication system (mayby except sometimes data might be cached on other instance).