• DragonAce@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    111
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    Why are these assholes so against helping people? These fuckers are nothing but greedy sociopaths.

    • bauhaus@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      83
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      conservatives view social hierarchy as a necessity which must be enforced. if you’re at the bottom, you deserve to be there, and if you’re there, you suffer because you deserve it, and because you’re at the bottom, you deserve to suffer. cruelty is the point, and without it, there can’t be the joy of their success.

      anything else, to them, is profane and must be fought/destroyed. anyone who tries to climb above their position must be punished.

      relevant videos:

      The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish

      Endnote 3: The Origins of Conservatism

      • Bizarroland@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        22
        ·
        1 year ago

        And many of them got covid bailouts and never had to pay a penny back and do not think even for a moment that their actions are hypocritical

      • cassetti@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        1 year ago

        I don’t need student debt relief, it won’t affect me. But I am extremely for it - it’s called wanting a better life for your fellow human being.

        Compassion - it’s not a difficult concept if you’re not a narcissistic a$$hole.

        And as an added bonus, the money currently going to banks would actually get better distributed to businesses (both big and small) and act as a net gain to our economy. But screw that - we don’t want some bank stocks to dip and affect some wealthy pension plans! /s

        • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I hadn’t ever considered it, but my desire for student debt relief also won’t affect me. I’ve been harping on this thing that I want for the last couple of years. I never stopped for a second to consider that I’m not in that group. I just want a better life for my fellow humans. Thanks for bringing that to my front of mind.

          These people are truly assholes.

    • cassetti@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      They’ve become so focused on political “points” and afraid of the other “team” scoring a “point” that they’re willing to do anything, regardless of the optics.

      Because they don’t stop and look at the bigger picture - it’s just political capital they can push around or dangle as a carrot in front of voters for future elections.

    • Kbin_space_program@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      Because the corporations that own the private colleges and universities that overcharge on tuition also are the ones that hand out student loans.

      They stand to lose billions of dollars in predatory profit if they can’t collect interest on student loans.

      • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yeah I see a lot of “cruelty is the point” comments here, which might not be entirely false, but if they sue it mostly means someone is pissed off about losing revenue.

        • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 year ago

          The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them to make me suspect it’s part of the motivation for all of them.

            • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it’s the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn’t good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they’re hateful, cruel people.

              • merc@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that’s not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it’s the point means that you’re unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view.

                You may disagree with it, but it’s not about “cruelty”, and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations.

                • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  If course they don’t see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference.

                  • merc@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea

                    So, you agree that cruelty isn’t the point?

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      Because either they got theirs and fuck everyone else. Or, they never got theirs and fuck everyone who might get theirs.

    • LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Because Ronnie RayGun said it is dangerous for government to help people. Totally cool for government to help those poor billionaires though.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Totally cool for government to help those poor billionaires though.

        Well, Elorn bought Twatter and can’t afford to pay rent (or severance, or server fees, or lawyers), so it seems right that he should get a handout. How’s the guy even gonna pay for his next lunch?!

        Meanwhile, my grandmother can’t afford insulin. That bitch better figure it out!

    • Vlhacs@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Simple answer I think is GOP don’t want anyone in their base to think any form of government assistance is good and will always label it as hand outs. More government assistance/social safety nets means their capitalist overlords gets to maintain and build their control over citizens and money will flow to them instead. Also “liberals bad!”

    • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 year ago

      Wilholt’s law, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

      Aka, “you’re not hurting the right people”

      • Blackmist@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

        ― John Kenneth Galbraith