Climate change is an ecological, social and economical issue. You cannot reduce it to either dimension.
And you cannot solve climate change without adressing the social injustices in our societies that are excarberated by climate change, in the same way you cannot keep the economy afloat without adressing climate change.
Climate change is the absolute most critical issue humanity faces today.
It has to take priority over everything else.
This means building nuclear powerplants as soon as possible to enable us to close coal, gas and oil plants, it means building winmills on indegious land if that is the best place to build them.
How about we tear down your home and neighborbood and build a windfarm over it? You will also not be compensated in any way or enough. I accept no arguments here, this is literally what you’re saying is okay to do to someone else.
That is not what anyone has suggested we should do to indegious people and their homes. This type of strawman arguments are extremely counter-productive.
Yeah, it’s a problem in general. People can’t be experts on everything, and most contentious issues have at least two sides and a lot of complexity. Yet a lot of people go around pushing their strong opinions on others.
I hate the CCP and think they’re one of the biggest threats to humanity, but China is actually doing a good job of transitioning to renewables.
Also, a lot of the coal they’re burning is to manufacture products for people in other countries. Not really fair to get upset with them making things that would otherwise manufactured in your country.
It’s not tankie, it’s logic. China doesn’t want to rely on oil/OPEC, because they are Western aligned, and Russia is a clusterfuck rn. Becoming energy independent is literally the smartest choice, and their shift to renewables is actually the ONE thing the West should be emulating. It’s time to stop relying on other political actors for our energy needs.
You’re on the UK instance, you should fucking understand exactly why energy independence is needed after the energy pricing crisis you’re dealing with.
You’re probably just trolling, but in case you’re sincere, you should know you’re damaging your own cause.
I’m not anything close to a tankie, you’ll see that if you spend two seconds in my post history. And when you blindly accuse someone like you are in this thread, you just hurt your own cause.
I don’t think it matters. People can voice their opinion on other subjects without discrediting their opinion on climate change. This article isn’t even about Greta Thunberg’s other non-climate protests, so why are you taking focus away from environmental issues?
I disagree that it is “just gardening”, it can absolutely have a huge impact.
However I do realize that the upper classes also pollute far, far more than the lower classes.
My point is that if there is a point where there is a big project that would benefit the environment, and only affect the people a small ammount while loosing a lot of potential if it was built somewhere else, then the people living in the area should not get to stop the project. Climate change will cause far, far, far more problems than the small problems that a wind farm will cause.
Yes, however there are better ways to go about stealing other peoples land to save us all. Compromises will need to be made, and ones that don’t entirely fuck over the poor need to be fought for.
That’s fair, I suppose I am a bit jaded by people who start shouting about how terrible every little change to the area stopping big am imporant project that will benefit the entire country or the global environment.
I never claimed that her oppinions were all wrong, she could just have stayed outside the discussion and kept focus on the environmental issues.
Climate change is an ecological, social and economical issue. You cannot reduce it to either dimension.
And you cannot solve climate change without adressing the social injustices in our societies that are excarberated by climate change, in the same way you cannot keep the economy afloat without adressing climate change.
aka Intersectionality.
Climate change is the absolute most critical issue humanity faces today.
It has to take priority over everything else.
This means building nuclear powerplants as soon as possible to enable us to close coal, gas and oil plants, it means building winmills on indegious land if that is the best place to build them.
How about we tear down your home and neighborbood and build a windfarm over it? You will also not be compensated in any way or enough. I accept no arguments here, this is literally what you’re saying is okay to do to someone else.
That is not what anyone has suggested we should do to indegious people and their homes. This type of strawman arguments are extremely counter-productive.
Exactly, this is what I mean.
So far, I have not heard that they were going to tare down the houses to build the wind farm, do you have a source about that?
You’re absolutely right and don’t deserve the animosity you’re getting in this thread.
Thank you, I mean no disrespect to anyone who are fighting for a just cause, but activism dilution is absolutely a thing I see with regards to Greta
Yeah, it’s a problem in general. People can’t be experts on everything, and most contentious issues have at least two sides and a lot of complexity. Yet a lot of people go around pushing their strong opinions on others.
It’s not that big of a deal
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
The difference is that it’s not going to stop anyway because China’s not going to stop burning coal. It’s a global issue, not a local one.
I hate the CCP and think they’re one of the biggest threats to humanity, but China is actually doing a good job of transitioning to renewables.
Also, a lot of the coal they’re burning is to manufacture products for people in other countries. Not really fair to get upset with them making things that would otherwise manufactured in your country.
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It’s not tankie, it’s logic. China doesn’t want to rely on oil/OPEC, because they are Western aligned, and Russia is a clusterfuck rn. Becoming energy independent is literally the smartest choice, and their shift to renewables is actually the ONE thing the West should be emulating. It’s time to stop relying on other political actors for our energy needs.
You’re on the UK instance, you should fucking understand exactly why energy independence is needed after the energy pricing crisis you’re dealing with.
You’re probably just trolling, but in case you’re sincere, you should know you’re damaging your own cause.
I’m not anything close to a tankie, you’ll see that if you spend two seconds in my post history. And when you blindly accuse someone like you are in this thread, you just hurt your own cause.
I don’t think it matters. People can voice their opinion on other subjects without discrediting their opinion on climate change. This article isn’t even about Greta Thunberg’s other non-climate protests, so why are you taking focus away from environmental issues?
I disagree that it is “just gardening”, it can absolutely have a huge impact.
However I do realize that the upper classes also pollute far, far more than the lower classes.
My point is that if there is a point where there is a big project that would benefit the environment, and only affect the people a small ammount while loosing a lot of potential if it was built somewhere else, then the people living in the area should not get to stop the project. Climate change will cause far, far, far more problems than the small problems that a wind farm will cause.
Yes, however there are better ways to go about stealing other peoples land to save us all. Compromises will need to be made, and ones that don’t entirely fuck over the poor need to be fought for.
That’s fair, I suppose I am a bit jaded by people who start shouting about how terrible every little change to the area stopping big am imporant project that will benefit the entire country or the global environment.