Apple’s battle with Epic is a reminder that today’s tech companies behave like 19th-century monopolists. Installing democratic control over these modern throwbacks to Gilded Age robber barons is the only way to curb their power.
If your taxes for the rich are too high, they will all take their ball and go home - to one of their many homes in a country that doesn’t have high taxes. Or just declare their superyaught anchored in international waters as their “home”. With “business travel” as their reason to spend time (maybe all of the time) on US soil.
When you have that much money, there’s not really much society can do to touch you.
When you have that much money, there’s not really much society can do to touch you.
I absolutely hate this mindset. I hear it now and then, and it’s being used even by left wing politicians to hand over more money, power and control to the wealthy, because “they have so much power with their money already, there’s nothing we can do”. Oh ok. So just capitulate then? Because we’re not starving to death? Nah fam. Work harder. Collaborate. Be creative. As creative as they are with their bookkeeping and finances. And if that shit doesn’t work, it’s violence time.
When you have that much money, there’s not really much society can do to touch you.
We’ve confronted robber barons before, and then stuff like the Sherman Anti Trust act happened. If we can collectively gain the resolve, society can absolutely touch these motherfuckers. We arguably had even worse politicians back in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s, and after some serious incidents it became a politically charged enough issue to overhaul Congress and the Senate.
The US has one of the highest exit taxes in the world, if it’s any concern you can raise it even higher, but capital flight is something the rich try to say will totally happen but that they never actually ever end up doing because paying high taxes isn’t worth the hassle that uprooting and moving everything to a new country entails.
That’s the kind of effort that gets provoked by imprisoning them for just complaining against those taxes, or by seizing everything they own without even nominal compensation.
I view the “take my ball and leave” talk as gaslighting. The rich are rich thanks to infrastructure we fund on a public basis. Roads, police, fire departments, and the very function of society is something we all collectively fund that they benefit from. I wish them all the luck in the world going to some third party totalitarian shithole with minefields, far more broken roads than we have, and warlords.
Have fun, fuckheads, please leave and don’t let the door hit you in the ass. That’s my response to any talk about uprooting.
but that they never actually ever end up doing because paying high taxes isn’t worth the hassle that uprooting and moving everything to a new country entails.
Have you honestly calculated both to decide which is more expensive, or it’s just talk?
Because there have been a few instances of big companies doing just that.
Except not really because what that is is them saying they’re owned or headquartered internationally.
It’s not reflective of capital flight at the scale of hyper wealthy individuals, just of how fucked corporate tax law is in comparison to income tax law.
Similar exit tax laws for reheadquartering out of country or selling out to a foreign owner would probably help cut way down on the practice.
If your taxes for the rich are too high, they will all take their ball and go home - to one of their many homes in a country that doesn’t have high taxes. Or just declare their superyaught anchored in international waters as their “home”. With “business travel” as their reason to spend time (maybe all of the time) on US soil.
When you have that much money, there’s not really much society can do to touch you.
I absolutely hate this mindset. I hear it now and then, and it’s being used even by left wing politicians to hand over more money, power and control to the wealthy, because “they have so much power with their money already, there’s nothing we can do”. Oh ok. So just capitulate then? Because we’re not starving to death? Nah fam. Work harder. Collaborate. Be creative. As creative as they are with their bookkeeping and finances. And if that shit doesn’t work, it’s violence time.
We’ve confronted robber barons before, and then stuff like the Sherman Anti Trust act happened. If we can collectively gain the resolve, society can absolutely touch these motherfuckers. We arguably had even worse politicians back in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s, and after some serious incidents it became a politically charged enough issue to overhaul Congress and the Senate.
The US has one of the highest exit taxes in the world, if it’s any concern you can raise it even higher, but capital flight is something the rich try to say will totally happen but that they never actually ever end up doing because paying high taxes isn’t worth the hassle that uprooting and moving everything to a new country entails.
That’s the kind of effort that gets provoked by imprisoning them for just complaining against those taxes, or by seizing everything they own without even nominal compensation.
I view the “take my ball and leave” talk as gaslighting. The rich are rich thanks to infrastructure we fund on a public basis. Roads, police, fire departments, and the very function of society is something we all collectively fund that they benefit from. I wish them all the luck in the world going to some third party totalitarian shithole with minefields, far more broken roads than we have, and warlords.
Have fun, fuckheads, please leave and don’t let the door hit you in the ass. That’s my response to any talk about uprooting.
Have you honestly calculated both to decide which is more expensive, or it’s just talk?
Because there have been a few instances of big companies doing just that.
Except not really because what that is is them saying they’re owned or headquartered internationally.
It’s not reflective of capital flight at the scale of hyper wealthy individuals, just of how fucked corporate tax law is in comparison to income tax law.
Similar exit tax laws for reheadquartering out of country or selling out to a foreign owner would probably help cut way down on the practice.
I think you are wrong but I’d like to see this tried, if not too catastrophic.
Well the highest marginal rate ever was about 90% in the 50s and there wasn’t significant capital flight at that time
There wasn’t significant movable capital either at that time.
in the 50s‽ Yeah sure whatever ya say.
Yes, you might have noticed that Microsoft, Google, Apple etc are the kind of companies which didn’t exist back then.