Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is sharply protesting against growing criticism from top ally the United States over his leadership amid the war with Hamas.
I cannot find a single person on earth that can give a valid reason for sending them any money or armament whatsoever. We gain absolutely nothing from supporting them. Nothing at all.
Conservatives cry crocodile tears about “wasting money”. Every penny ever sent to Israel has been wasted. It’s not an investment. There is no return. There is no political or financial gain of any kind for us.
We’d probably have more allies if we dropped support.
What we are doing is equivalent to us deciding to support North Korea and being shocked that all of a sudden we lose regional support from just about everyone.
Israel, especially with an ongoing genocide, is toxic to stability and alliances. It isolates more than it gives strategic advantage.
Everyone keeps ignoring Jordan but it literally has the best cultural and economic relations with the US. Were they not even together in the anti ISIS coalition?
But nope, Israeli lobbying is stronger than all of our voices combined.
I re read it. I still don’t see why you decided to respond to me stating a fact with a rant. I don’t really care about your opinion and I’m not here to debate whether the US should still support Israel.
You say they have value as an ally. What benefit has the alliance had for the US? Did Israel contribute soldiers to Iraq or Afghanistan? Did Israel support the Obama administration’s JCPOA or did they try to undermine it and kill it?
Keep protesting. It’s giving the political capital needed for US politicians to say “hey, maybe we should change our relationship with Israel, here”. I know that doesn’t sound like much, but in terms of world politics, it’s a huge change already for them to be able to say that.
Yes, there is. A lot of the higher-ups in government believe that Israel is necessary for the Rapture to take place. All the Jews will go there, and then get killed, and all the rich white men here will go to heaven.
I wish I was even joking, but I’m not. They’ll keep Israel going at all costs because of this.
I saw a comment the other day that she’d a lot of light on this. Us Military aid to Israel suppresses Israeli arms manufacturing, because they have less need, and boosts their reliance on US arms. It essentially promotes US arms sales not just in Israel, but across the world, as Israel has a fairly strong military industrial complex as is.
Is this a good reason? That’s debatable. It’s a better reason than none though, and it makes things a lot clearer.
In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region. In practice the government of Israel has been on a hard right slide for decades and have been openly denying basic human rights to the people stranded in Gaza.
In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region.
There are vulnerable groups in the middle east. Why lavish only this one with billions of dollars of munitions? We do not have any valid reason to support them any more than any other vulnerable group.
Strategic Military advantage and I assume access to massad or some collaboration with them and if we stopped every Muslim country would eradicate Isreal at which point the same people yelling genocide Joe would be screaming for us to help Isreal. It’s global politics and its not black and white. Oh and global weapons sales, after all the united states government is more or less just a weapons dealer
Sure you can you’re sticking your head in the sand.
It’s to maintain Israel’s defensive posture as to Iran.
Our weapons and money is not necessary for Israel to carpet bomb all of Gaza and the West Bank several times over before suspending aid altered Israel’s posture as to Gaza.
So right now cotinued support is America’s only leverage. See? Not complicated at all.
I cannot find a single person on earth that can give a valid reason for sending them any money or armament whatsoever. We gain absolutely nothing from supporting them. Nothing at all.
Conservatives cry crocodile tears about “wasting money”. Every penny ever sent to Israel has been wasted. It’s not an investment. There is no return. There is no political or financial gain of any kind for us.
US gains an ally in a very important region of the world. They have huge strategic value. Saying there is nothing is misguided.
We have an ally next door, Jordan.
We’d probably have more allies if we dropped support.
What we are doing is equivalent to us deciding to support North Korea and being shocked that all of a sudden we lose regional support from just about everyone.
Israel, especially with an ongoing genocide, is toxic to stability and alliances. It isolates more than it gives strategic advantage.
Everyone keeps ignoring Jordan but it literally has the best cultural and economic relations with the US. Were they not even together in the anti ISIS coalition?
But nope, Israeli lobbying is stronger than all of our voices combined.
Looks like allying with Israel has only been detrimental to the US. It’s been great for Zionists who need the US’ protection, though.
Osama bin Laden cited US’ support for Israel as one of the reasons for the 9/11 attacks.
Think about the billions, or perhaps trillions, of dollars the US has lost out on because of its support of Israel.
We need to drop them like a bad habit.
Okay, what’s your point? I’m stating a fact. They have high strategic value. I don’t need to be convinced that it’s expensive or risky
Re-read my comment until it makes sense.
I was very clear about my point from the very beginning.
Drop that reddit shit and just explain when someone asks.
Lol, what?
“Re read my comment until it makes sense”
How reddit-y.
I re read it. I still don’t see why you decided to respond to me stating a fact with a rant. I don’t really care about your opinion and I’m not here to debate whether the US should still support Israel.
You say they have value as an ally. What benefit has the alliance had for the US? Did Israel contribute soldiers to Iraq or Afghanistan? Did Israel support the Obama administration’s JCPOA or did they try to undermine it and kill it?
It’s a one-way alliance.
Like they really need an ally there to bomb middle east to rubble.
Had.
They had huge strategic value.
What do you mean, they are still there, the US can still use their shit if they need to.
Tactical value is fleeting. Israel is the reason we can’t afford anything for domestic civilians since 2001.
Why do we need to be involved in the region at all? We’ve only done more harm than good.
Why are you asking me this?
Because you said they provide huge strategic value. What value is that? Why do we even need to have bases in that area to begin with?
Because it’s part of the US power projection. Asking that is like asking “why does the US need to do anything outside their borders”.
Fair!
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It’s not misguided it’s reactionary nonsense. It’s people who literally have no idea what they are talking about and it’s obvious to anyone that does.
Maybe fuck off and mind your own business hey?
Keep protesting. It’s giving the political capital needed for US politicians to say “hey, maybe we should change our relationship with Israel, here”. I know that doesn’t sound like much, but in terms of world politics, it’s a huge change already for them to be able to say that.
Yes, there is. A lot of the higher-ups in government believe that Israel is necessary for the Rapture to take place. All the Jews will go there, and then get killed, and all the rich white men here will go to heaven.
I wish I was even joking, but I’m not. They’ll keep Israel going at all costs because of this.
Seven Mountain followers want this fight to end horribly. They’re actually attempting to hasten it.
I saw a comment the other day that she’d a lot of light on this. Us Military aid to Israel suppresses Israeli arms manufacturing, because they have less need, and boosts their reliance on US arms. It essentially promotes US arms sales not just in Israel, but across the world, as Israel has a fairly strong military industrial complex as is.
Is this a good reason? That’s debatable. It’s a better reason than none though, and it makes things a lot clearer.
In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region. In practice the government of Israel has been on a hard right slide for decades and have been openly denying basic human rights to the people stranded in Gaza.
There are vulnerable groups in the middle east. Why lavish only this one with billions of dollars of munitions? We do not have any valid reason to support them any more than any other vulnerable group.
The history of post WW2 era is the forcing function. For better or worse.
Strategic Military advantage and I assume access to massad or some collaboration with them and if we stopped every Muslim country would eradicate Isreal at which point the same people yelling genocide Joe would be screaming for us to help Isreal. It’s global politics and its not black and white. Oh and global weapons sales, after all the united states government is more or less just a weapons dealer
Sure you can you’re sticking your head in the sand.
It’s to maintain Israel’s defensive posture as to Iran.
Our weapons and money is not necessary for Israel to carpet bomb all of Gaza and the West Bank several times over before suspending aid altered Israel’s posture as to Gaza.
So right now cotinued support is America’s only leverage. See? Not complicated at all.