Thanks. Not sure what that means (isn’t liberal = anti gun, libertarian= pro gun… at least in the us)?
But I saw in the link from your other comment he say
I’m a constitutional absolutist. We can argue about whether the Second Amendment was intended to protect guns. That argument has now been settled by the Supreme Court.
So he definitely ok on 2A for me. I just distrustful of politicians especially since I remember libertarian Gay Johnson in the 2016 elections who was libertarian candidate and allegedly pro-2A but then he flip flop after a shooting and cave to wanting gun control… Really piss me off.
Anyway if he pro immigration then yeah probably not my first pick. Not completely anti immigrant but I would want the exact opposite of what liberals usually want (e.g. I want more anti-communist, skilled, and predominantly white Christians, with no criminal history). He still sounds much much better than any other choices I’ve seen on the left in the past decade
Well americans use the term liberal wrongly, libertarianism by definition means: classical liberalism, minarchism or anarchocapitalism. If you support gun rights you are liberal regarding guns but not necessarily lefwing.
Been trying to read up on this a bit more. Someone else mentioned something similar in a comment recently too. I had previously assumed “liberal” meant “more government” since people also say things like “liberal amounts of (bacon/butter/etc)” to mean “more”. But seems like that is wrong or at least not how the political term works.
From reading online (mostly this quora post), it sounds like the term “liberal” in Europe came from the idea of “liberty”, much like “libertarian” in the US with their main opposition in EU being existing aristocracy and theocracy. Since US didn’t have these elements, both parties were originally based off EU “liberalism” concepts but have diverged over time on other points.
So yeah, sounds like the term “liberal” as it is used over here is probably a misnomer /bastardization/whatever. I don’t think I’ll be able to change everybody in the states to use different term but I will try to avoid on global sites going forward to avoid confusion
So guessing Europe doesn’t have “Republicans” but do the terms “woke”, “conservative”, “left (-wing)”, and “right(-wing)” still more or less have the same meaning as in US? Or is just completely different and I will need to do more reading before I get?
From stuff I see online, seems like there are many Europeans who have very similar values to myself and I’d rather not accidentally piss off the wrong people just cuz I used a local term that mean something completely different there… I want to express myself correctly so I piss off the right people using the right terms 😁
Yes conservatives lefties and woke are the same however european politics is way more leftwing. For eg. most of the society accepted lockdowns, 80% of the people are vaccinated etc… also the populist parties are seen as very controversial unfortunately there are no normal conservative parties so you gotta choose in between rightwing populism or immigration liberalism. Most europeans are against conspiracy theories so that’s also big difference.
Small gov, direct democracy and free speech is what i associate with liberalism. The US rightwingers/conservatives can be at times ultraconservative for eg. regarding abortion but they are way more liberal when it comes to covid restrictions and guns etc. European rightwingers/conservatives are more conservative so they were mostly in support of the authoritarian covid policies. If the opposite of conservatism is radicalism the opposite of liberalism is authoritarianism.
Thanks. Not sure what that means (isn’t liberal = anti gun, libertarian= pro gun… at least in the us)?
But I saw in the link from your other comment he say
So he definitely ok on 2A for me. I just distrustful of politicians especially since I remember libertarian Gay Johnson in the 2016 elections who was libertarian candidate and allegedly pro-2A but then he flip flop after a shooting and cave to wanting gun control… Really piss me off.
Anyway if he pro immigration then yeah probably not my first pick. Not completely anti immigrant but I would want the exact opposite of what liberals usually want (e.g. I want more anti-communist, skilled, and predominantly white Christians, with no criminal history). He still sounds much much better than any other choices I’ve seen on the left in the past decade
Well americans use the term liberal wrongly, libertarianism by definition means: classical liberalism, minarchism or anarchocapitalism. If you support gun rights you are liberal regarding guns but not necessarily lefwing.
Been trying to read up on this a bit more. Someone else mentioned something similar in a comment recently too. I had previously assumed “liberal” meant “more government” since people also say things like “liberal amounts of (bacon/butter/etc)” to mean “more”. But seems like that is wrong or at least not how the political term works.
From reading online (mostly this quora post), it sounds like the term “liberal” in Europe came from the idea of “liberty”, much like “libertarian” in the US with their main opposition in EU being existing aristocracy and theocracy. Since US didn’t have these elements, both parties were originally based off EU “liberalism” concepts but have diverged over time on other points.
So yeah, sounds like the term “liberal” as it is used over here is probably a misnomer /bastardization/whatever. I don’t think I’ll be able to change everybody in the states to use different term but I will try to avoid on global sites going forward to avoid confusion
So guessing Europe doesn’t have “Republicans” but do the terms “woke”, “conservative”, “left (-wing)”, and “right(-wing)” still more or less have the same meaning as in US? Or is just completely different and I will need to do more reading before I get?
From stuff I see online, seems like there are many Europeans who have very similar values to myself and I’d rather not accidentally piss off the wrong people just cuz I used a local term that mean something completely different there… I want to express myself correctly so I piss off the right people using the right terms 😁
Yes conservatives lefties and woke are the same however european politics is way more leftwing. For eg. most of the society accepted lockdowns, 80% of the people are vaccinated etc… also the populist parties are seen as very controversial unfortunately there are no normal conservative parties so you gotta choose in between rightwing populism or immigration liberalism. Most europeans are against conspiracy theories so that’s also big difference.
The US has it’s history with libertarianism so that’s likely the reason why the rightwingers are pro small gov.
Small gov, direct democracy and free speech is what i associate with liberalism. The US rightwingers/conservatives can be at times ultraconservative for eg. regarding abortion but they are way more liberal when it comes to covid restrictions and guns etc. European rightwingers/conservatives are more conservative so they were mostly in support of the authoritarian covid policies. If the opposite of conservatism is radicalism the opposite of liberalism is authoritarianism.