• D61 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2516·
    7 months ago

    Report by “Safeguard Defenders” formerly “China Action”… website here if you want to see a bunch of “HOLY SHIT CHINA BAD” stuff…

    Human rights NGO Safeguard Defenders first revealed in 2022 that China operates more than 120 illegal police offices in 53 countries around the world, including around 50 in the EU.

    Wasn’t this deemed super false? Those “police offices” were just outreach centers for Chinese nationals needing help filling out paperwork or being tracked down to remind them to fill out paperwork?

    China in just one year as part of a special campaign in which the threat of collective punishment was also used as a means of persuasion.

    Nowhere in the article does it source any of these claims. Doesn’t even link to the “report”

    …Chinese indiciduals who…

    heheh… misspelled “individuals”…

    From the Safeguard Defenders website where the .pdf for the report is located. The first two sentences reframes things differently from the EuroNews linked article.

    Just around Christmas last year, China’s global hunt for “fugitives” hit a new milestone. Since its launch in 2014 as part of Xi Jinping’s anti-corruption campaign, 10,000 are claimed to have been successfully returned from over 120 countries around the globe under Sky Net (and junior partner Fox Hunt) operations…

    Its not JUST Chinese citizens, its people that that the Chinese government is claiming have broken the law and fled the country.

    Also… the EuroNews article says the report is 169 pages long, the .pdf from Safeguard Defenders is only 69 pages long.

    I mean… sure, if you want to make an argument about how the Chinese government may or may not be following extradition treaties/laws to have people accused of criminal activity brought back to the country to stand trial, you can make that argument. Framing it as “Chinese government kidnaps citizens traveling abroad!!!” is wildly inaccurate.

    • BrikoXOPMEnglish
      131·
      7 months ago

      You are linking the wrong report.

      The article mentions the new report, found here.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        1411·
        7 months ago

        Pg. 18:

        Ye is the former mayor of Chuanliao Town Government in Qingtian County, Zhejiang. Accused of bribery, he fled to Milan, Italy, in July 2001.

        In December 2014, the Zhejiang Public Security Department and the Protectorate sent a joint working group to Italy and Spain to carry out persuade to return operations of fugitives from the Lishui and Wenzhou areas.

        After being persuaded face-to-face by the working group, Ye flew back to China with the working group to surrender himself on December 23, 2014.

        Nothing alleged here is remotely objectionable.

        • BrikoXOPMEnglish
          102·
          7 months ago

          That’s the quote from the linked article in footnote 19, not allegation, read below.

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1010·
            7 months ago

            …what?

            I’m referencing the actual report you just linked to. I quoted a section of the report that provides an example of the conduct it criticizes. It’s nothing; the report is bullshit.

            • BrikoXOPMEnglish
              112·
              7 months ago

              You quoted the section of the report that quotes the linked articles. Apart from the transcript font used, it also links to the footnote.

                • BrikoXOPMEnglish
                  142·
                  7 months ago

                  I quoted a section of the report that provides an example of the conduct it criticizes.

                  You didn’t. You quoted the official statement of the Chinese government, which was quoted in the report. It was not an example provided by the report authors. Their examples and argument is below the quoted section. I’m not sure if you are just misunderstanding or pretending to misunderstand. But in any case, you are welcome to your opinion that the report is “bullshit”. But that is not a good argument if you want to bring someone to your way of thinking. You need more objective details for that.

                  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    79·
                    7 months ago

                    You quoted the official statement of the Chinese government, which was quoted in the report.

                    Ah, I see. What page of the report gives the authors’ version of what actually happened in those cases, or gives an example of something that could be described as kidnapping?

    • rottingleaf
      133·
      7 months ago

      Its not JUST Chinese citizens, its people that that the Chinese government is claiming have broken the law and fled the country.

      Which doesn’t mean anything since they are not in China and such an act would be, as the title says, abduction. Which is a crime and a violation of sovereignty.

    • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      712·
      7 months ago

      Isn’t most of this Chinese embassies reaching out to fugitives and taking them into going back home to have things sorted out?

      Do we know anything about what kind of crimes they’re on the run because of or what consequences they gave when they go home? I wouldn’t be surprised if most of it is really banale stuff.