A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

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    7 months ago

    I don’t think you understand the conditions in which terrorism appears. You want to act like there’s something special in their blood/culture/religion that makes them Uber terrorists with no logic no brain no motive. Like even without oppression Hamas would of shown up to kill Jews elsewhere in the world.

    That’s racist m8. They are human beings driven by the same shit as you and me. And you look yourself in the mirror and objectively ask yourself if you think you’d be better if you lived their life up to this point.

    Cause and effect. Very simple. Colonize and oppress a population. Cause. Terrorism. Effect.

    Hey did you know before Israel that Christians and Jews made up 1/5th the population of the area? Crazy how they were not just committing mass genocide then.

    Did you know Gaza right now has a arab Christian and Arab Jewish population?

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      Did you know Gaza right now has a arab Christian and Arab Jewish population?

      The latter may not be true, Hamas is quite hostile to any Jews.

      Arab Christian population is not only Arab, it also includes Assyrians and Chaldeans and Syriacs. I would expect there are not so many Maronites among those Arab Christians due to Lebanon civil war.

      I would also expect that there are very few Druze and no Yazidis, because towards smaller religions on the fringe of Gnosticism they are very intolerant. Basically many Muslims consider both religions Satanist.

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      It’s not racist. Religionist maybe. And I stand by it. Islam is the biggest threat we face today. You don’t understand that.

      I cannot say if I grew up there that I wouldn’t have the same beliefs, brainwashing children is extremely effective. But those ideas, the religion, need to be acknowledged and challenged in any response. Not just stick our heads in the sand and pretend they’re logical beliefs and that they will spontaneously want peace despite them repeatedly telling you they don’t.

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        7 months ago

        Hey at least you took off the mask so your genuine argument could shine through. It’s a terrible argument as currently Israel is weaponizing it’s religion as well to commit the genocide in the first place.

        Unlike you however, I am not a racist who will label Judaism as the cause for the genocide of palastinians like you wish to lable all of Islam for. That’s very silly

        You stand on no actual moral grounds. You do not care about human beings in the slightest. You do not care about why these human beings are doing what they are doing. You do not care about the historical context that led to this moment in time. To you, Islam is evil. Islamists are evil. Killing Muslims is a necessary evil.

        That’s fucking disgusting.

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          If that’s what you want to take from what I said then that’s fine, but no, I’m not racist or genocidal.

          Islam is evil. Not all its followers are. And if people weren’t so scared of being labeled racist we might have an honest discussion about its problems. Hamas needs to be fought just like Nazis did. Naziism needed to be destroyed, not Germans, despite Nazi ideas proliferating through Germany.

          There is no historical context worth discussing. Hamas wants to kill Jews and always will.

          Listen to Sam Harris. Or continue to defend jihad. Whatever

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            So, you are racist and on par with the Nazis in my mind. Your calling for the continued genocide of human beings because of their religion. That’s genocide pal. But instead of telling you to fuck off, I want to explore your mind. I want to get how you got here. Just so we have an understanding. I’m not trying to convince you. I just have questions for you as a human being.

            Is it Islam in specific or religion in general? I assume just Islam as you didn’t mention others but I wanna check.

            What is your Religion if any?

            And what about Islam specifically that is ubiquitous to the whole religion do you find so evil that other major religions don’t?

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              7 months ago

              Just Islam. Don’t see any others religions doing jihad these days. But they’re all nonsensical

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                  7 months ago

                  Nope, I’m done with this conversation. I’m a racist bigot with no compassion for the poor terrorists. You got me. You win

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                    It ain’t about winning. I told you, I do not believe that I can or will change your mind. We are miles down a comment chain, no one but us will read this. This is me wanting to understand you. Do you not want to just talk about what you believe? You gotta be yelling and arguing about it? Arguing over. Tell me what you believe and why. I’m asking you to just calmly explain.