Everything is “pre engineered” that’s just called design.
And they’re not engineered for habitation they’re engineered to transport goods that aren’t sensitive to temperature, humidity, or oxygen levels (unless you’re talking refrigerated ones but I don’t know a lot of people who want their house to be 38 degrees)
Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn’t mean you should build a house out of them.
And it won’t be an unventilated, 100 sf, 120 degree Faraday cage that will collapse on itself after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.
Oh yea I’m sure cutting a bunch of holes in it and then propping one end up and having it support itself plus the weight of all the building materials you added at an angle so it concentrates all of the force onto one short edge plus the unsupported span of the floor will drive that expectancy way up.
To put it plainly, shipping containers can get hot. Really hot. One study of wine shipments found that containers traveling between Australia and the US reached a maximum temperature of 122 degrees Fahrenheit (50 degrees Celsius) while at sea.[1]
Another study conducted by engineers at Xerox found that temperatures in shipping containers on land can drop as low as -21ºF (-29ºC) and reach as high as 135 degrees Fahrenheit (57ºC).[2] The researchers found that the greatest temperature fluctuations occur on land, though containers traveling by sea are still subject to intense heat.
Certainly they can get really hot in certain conditions. I do t think that is very relevant to the actual living conditions, but I have a small sample size. The ones I have seen have been pretty efficient.
Cars are an entirely different thing. They get hot in the sun because of greenhouse effect.
I’m saying picking two extremes is statistically relevant. If we had 100 container house temperatures we would throw out the extremes as outliers and look at the remain temperatures to gain useful information.
You have interpreted " we found these two extremes" to mean “all containers in all conditions”.
I could say “this means the average temperature is a cool 45.5°.”
I have spent time in containers. I was surprised by how comfortable they were. Most recently I was surprised that the container was cooler on the inside on a hot sunny day.
If you can afford a shipping container you can afford a greater amount of building material for the same price, your complete lack of construction ability doesn’t make them a better option.
Standard shipping containers are either 20 or 40 by 8 exterior dimensions.
So if you have exactly zero modifications or internal walls, so zero hvac electrical or plumbing and one open space you have about 200sq ft if it’s on level ground which this isn’t.
Your right it’s actually higher than that as other people have cited. You literally responded to that comment describing the sun shining on them as “in certain conditions”
I’ve never seen a house built out of pallets collapse. It’s almost like anecdotal evidence isn’t worth a shit. The stated life expectancy from manufactures is 20 years if properly maintained and unmodified.
Thank you for being rhe best possible example of how this seems like a good idea if you’re a complete fucking moron with zero construction experience, knowledge or ability.
Ok you convinced me please go live in one of these death traps that would actually be great you dumb sack of shit. I’ll be praying for a heat wace.
Youve repeatedly admitted you have zero knowledge experience or skill and you’re still arguing with me about it. I do this shit for a living.
Do you really not understand the difference in internal and external dimensions and how it affects living space calculations?
Who am I kidding of course you don’t.
Seriously are you like an actual child who’s still in high school or something because that’s about the only way this much of a lack of practical knowledge would be excusable.
If your like 10 sorry I was so harsh, if not holy shit you’re the dumbest person I’ve crossed paths with in a while.
On the contrary, new research from the University of Michigan shows that shipping container houses (and similar repurposed pre-engineered objects) are actually much more costly than you might expect: https://cadence.moe/PPB_Portable_Prefab_Buildings.pdf
you can’t modify them in any way without compromising the structural integrity of these things. that crinkle isn’t just for fun, its part of what makes the whole thing rigid enough not to fall apart. If you start cutting into that, you have to come up with a whole new support structure and might as well just build it normally.
Yeah. You probably shouldn’t cut out all the sides then stack them in a 274 ton stack.
Edit: I think I am wrong here. An intermodal tank is a nonstructual tank in essentially the same frame as a container has. There are some small supports to prevent racking but they are pretty small and the frame is still capable of being in a nine stack.
How do you suppose side door containers hold up. Did you know you can open the doors on a container in the stack?
They are portable and pre-enginnered.
Everything is “pre engineered” that’s just called design.
And they’re not engineered for habitation they’re engineered to transport goods that aren’t sensitive to temperature, humidity, or oxygen levels (unless you’re talking refrigerated ones but I don’t know a lot of people who want their house to be 38 degrees)
Wooden shipping pallets are also portable and pre engineered that doesn’t mean you should build a house out of them.
We should totally build houses out of pallets and force the rich to live in them though
They love stocks, so they should LOVE the stockades!
Damnit I was spoiling cabbage to throw at the rich but now it just turned into delicious kimchee
Counterpoint: Groverhaus
That was architect’d not engineered.
I hate architects as much as the next guy but I’m still pretty sure no architect’d’ing has gone into groverhaus
My comment was meant to further the conversation. Yours was meant to stop the conversation.
I can build a shipping container house that will fit on a price of leased property. I cannot build a pallet house at all.
I have gone back and forth on container homes. At the moment I see a place for them.
That’s because it’s a stupid conversation.
You know what else you cana build a house with.
Building materials.
And it won’t be an unventilated, 100 sf, 120 degree Faraday cage that will collapse on itself after it rusts away in a few years because the expected lifespan of a shipping container is 20 years before you cut a bunch of holes in it.
20 years with very large portion of it on the sea exposed to the elements and with minimal to no maintenance. That’s a very damn important detail
Oh yea I’m sure cutting a bunch of holes in it and then propping one end up and having it support itself plus the weight of all the building materials you added at an angle so it concentrates all of the force onto one short edge plus the unsupported span of the floor will drive that expectancy way up.
1,) No, I cannot.
shipping containers are not 100sqft.
they aren’t 120degrees.
I have never seen one collapse on itself.
Either you are ignorant or disingenuous.
https://epgna.com/how-hot-do-shipping-containers-get/
Certainly they can get really hot in certain conditions. I do t think that is very relevant to the actual living conditions, but I have a small sample size. The ones I have seen have been pretty efficient.
Oh you’re the guy who is like “certain conditions” like you’ve never in your life encountered a hot car in the summer
Cars are an entirely different thing. They get hot in the sun because of greenhouse effect.
I’m saying picking two extremes is statistically relevant. If we had 100 container house temperatures we would throw out the extremes as outliers and look at the remain temperatures to gain useful information.
“Certain conditions” like “the sun being out”
You don’t think the fact the internal temperature fluctuates between 125 and -21 degrees is relevant to living conditions?
You have interpreted " we found these two extremes" to mean “all containers in all conditions”.
I could say “this means the average temperature is a cool 45.5°.”
I have spent time in containers. I was surprised by how comfortable they were. Most recently I was surprised that the container was cooler on the inside on a hot sunny day.
If you can afford a shipping container you can afford a greater amount of building material for the same price, your complete lack of construction ability doesn’t make them a better option.
Standard shipping containers are either 20 or 40 by 8 exterior dimensions. So if you have exactly zero modifications or internal walls, so zero hvac electrical or plumbing and one open space you have about 200sq ft if it’s on level ground which this isn’t.
Your right it’s actually higher than that as other people have cited. You literally responded to that comment describing the sun shining on them as “in certain conditions”
I’ve never seen a house built out of pallets collapse. It’s almost like anecdotal evidence isn’t worth a shit. The stated life expectancy from manufactures is 20 years if properly maintained and unmodified.
Thank you for being rhe best possible example of how this seems like a good idea if you’re a complete fucking moron with zero construction experience, knowledge or ability.
Build material is not a building. My lack of engineering and construction ability does make them a better option for me in some cases.
8x40 does not equal 100, nor does it equal 200. What does level ground have to do with anything? You are really bad at math.
You are just making things up.
They look pretty tough to me with tons of bridge girders on them. I cant imagine your house holding up to that.
I don’t know you but you sound like a Luddite and a complete fucking liar incapable of reasoned discourse.
Do you honestly think shipping containers are the future of housing?
Real
we got here this time
God I hope not. I don’t really see a future for housing at the moment.
I do think container homes have a place at the moment. There are reasons I would consider one in the future.
Ok you convinced me please go live in one of these death traps that would actually be great you dumb sack of shit. I’ll be praying for a heat wace.
Youve repeatedly admitted you have zero knowledge experience or skill and you’re still arguing with me about it. I do this shit for a living.
Do you really not understand the difference in internal and external dimensions and how it affects living space calculations?
Who am I kidding of course you don’t.
Seriously are you like an actual child who’s still in high school or something because that’s about the only way this much of a lack of practical knowledge would be excusable.
If your like 10 sorry I was so harsh, if not holy shit you’re the dumbest person I’ve crossed paths with in a while.
Then go live in one
We’ll see.
On the contrary, new research from the University of Michigan shows that shipping container houses (and similar repurposed pre-engineered objects) are actually much more costly than you might expect: https://cadence.moe/PPB_Portable_Prefab_Buildings.pdf
You are going to be way to busy for this once your testicles decend.
My testicles are in a freezer.
This isn’t an improv group.
Literally modular and manufactured homes. Pre-engineered, portable, and an actual house, not a storage unit.
TO BE SHIPPING CONTAINERS
you can’t modify them in any way without compromising the structural integrity of these things. that crinkle isn’t just for fun, its part of what makes the whole thing rigid enough not to fall apart. If you start cutting into that, you have to come up with a whole new support structure and might as well just build it normally.
Actual prefab buildings though? That’s workable.
Yeah. You probably shouldn’t cut out all the sides then stack them in a 274 ton stack.
Edit: I think I am wrong here. An intermodal tank is a nonstructual tank in essentially the same frame as a container has. There are some small supports to prevent racking but they are pretty small and the frame is still capable of being in a nine stack.
How do you suppose side door containers hold up. Did you know you can open the doors on a container in the stack?