• Altofaltception@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    We keep being reminded that Israel has a right to defend itself, but nobody has ever explained how killing 30,000 civilians, mostly children, helps Israel defend itself.

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      6 months ago

      Someone on reddit said that hamas used young children to attack israel on october 7th and therefore children are not innocent. I shit you not…

    • Jake Farm@sopuli.xyz
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      6 months ago

      Was the vietnam war a genocide? The US killed ~600,000 civilians during the Vietnam war.

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            6 months ago

            You drug it into this.

            To be clear, discussing the Vietnam war is just fine, and more than that, important. But this isnt that.

            Edit a distinct thread on such a topic is welcome and appropriate.

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              I brought is up because I am unsure where the line of genocide is especially since wars that involve the US tend to have loads of civilian deaths.

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                Over 100,000 civilians died in Iraq and Afghanistan during “the war on terror”.

                That’s worth it because of 9/11 tho /s

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                The US does a lot of war crimes. They’ve just been historically more powerful than the people who prosecute war crimes.

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                  They also aren’t a member of many international legal bodies and thus do not consider themselves bound by international law. Frustratingly, they are basically right - international law is opt-in.

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        Yes, it pretty clearly was, the fact that they restricted operations to the south out of worry of a Chinese invasion meant that commanders on the ground literally began measuring mission progress entirely by how many Vietnamese people they’d killed in a given period.

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          Indeed and israel has very clearly expressed intent.

          Sbrenica had 8000 people killed and was deemed a Genocide. And the statements there were far less severe than the extreme genocide rhetoric from israel.

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        High civilian casualties means genocide. Duh. Hamas wants high civilian casualties. So that way they can make people call this a genocide. That gets people on their side. Hamas literally committed genocidal acts but the number of deaths was much less so people don’t care as much. Hamas was literally targeting Jewish people in general. Israel is targeting Hamas members not Palestinians. Unfortunately Hamas took the last 17 years building tunnels underneath civilians. So there are a lot of unfortunate civilian casualties trying to get to Hamas and its leaders. Israel should do better but I’m afraid it’s very difficult with the logistics of this fight. It’s a terrible situation all the way around.