I’m just saying it’s several orders of magnitude less brain material than a mouse, and that it would make more sense ethically, in the short term, to stop using mice for experiments. This can’t be a notably sentient thing. If this organelle is a tiny human soul, then a mouse is feeling everything it feels times a thousand, like it’s in there writing mouse poetry and just can’t express it. The mouse would have to be asking some deep philosophical questions. We can ask what is consciousness, and we can not know, but it doesn’t make sense to bring this quandary up about a graphing calculator or an ant.
I understand your point, but I would love to see the scientific studies that you’ve read that show what thoughts and consciousness are, in relation to brain activity. My point is that we can make assumptions all day about the size of organoids and what (and if) they feel, but it’s fundamentally an unknown since there are no studies out there that show that one thinks either way.
I mean, science is overall callous to animals, it’s horrific that mice and other animals have been used in studies. I think it’s the same kind of hubris that allows scientists to play around and make human brain matter “think”, that is, transmit and process electrical signals, without actually understanding how that works naturally in any type of animal brain or organism.
I’m just saying it’s several orders of magnitude less brain material than a mouse, and that it would make more sense ethically, in the short term, to stop using mice for experiments. This can’t be a notably sentient thing. If this organelle is a tiny human soul, then a mouse is feeling everything it feels times a thousand, like it’s in there writing mouse poetry and just can’t express it. The mouse would have to be asking some deep philosophical questions. We can ask what is consciousness, and we can not know, but it doesn’t make sense to bring this quandary up about a graphing calculator or an ant.
I understand your point, but I would love to see the scientific studies that you’ve read that show what thoughts and consciousness are, in relation to brain activity. My point is that we can make assumptions all day about the size of organoids and what (and if) they feel, but it’s fundamentally an unknown since there are no studies out there that show that one thinks either way.
I mean, science is overall callous to animals, it’s horrific that mice and other animals have been used in studies. I think it’s the same kind of hubris that allows scientists to play around and make human brain matter “think”, that is, transmit and process electrical signals, without actually understanding how that works naturally in any type of animal brain or organism.