• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Or your revolutionaries get executed for not being revolutionary enough (Reign of Terror, October revolution)

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      6 months ago

      The Reign of Terror was kicked off by a wave of paranoia following the Austrian invasion of France.

      The October Revolution followed the Russian Republic kicking off a White Terror in the face of continued anti-war demonstrations.

      Neither happened in a vacuum. They were both in response to reactionary forces brutalizing the peaceniks within the revolutionary movement. Once the peaceful leadership was neutralized, the war hawks were the only ones left.

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        That’s a ridiculous interpretation of history and I’m a little amazed that you managed to actually say it with a straight face. Holy tankie revisionism Batman. Literally every bad thing that revolutionaries did was actually because of other people.

        And you honestly believe this? That’s as naive as thinking America is the greatest country on Earth, or that the natives welcomed the Pilgrims with open arms, or other comforting childhood ridiculousness.

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          That’s a ridiculous interpretation of history

          A linear series of events? Are you going to start talking about the War of Northern Aggression, next? Denouncing the tyrant Lincoln and his bloodthirsty Radical Republicans, then dismiss Fort Sumter?

          Literally every bad thing that revolutionaries did

          The collapse of revolutions into violence are precipitated by the caging and killing of its most peaceful members.

          natives welcomed the Pilgrims with open arms

          You can pull that info directly from Columbus’s own journals. Guanahaní was full of some of the most peaceful and pleasant people to have ever existed. When the Spanish arrived, they immediately began looting, raping, and killing.

          Cortez and Pizzaro were originally greated as honored guests, only to return the hospitality with wholesale hostage taking and rampant murder. This is self-reported

          When the English arrived, they immediately began kidnapping and torturing natives of the Mid-Atlantic in search of their own golden city. This is also extensively well documented by the original settlers.

          But for the next 500 years, the native peoples were described as vicious cannibal savages by settler colomialists whose original contact was no different than a swarm of locusts.

          That’s why you think they were evil monsters inhabiting North America who all needed to be Christianized to save their souls. That’s why you think Evil Wicked Godless Communists were doing holocausts all across Eastern Europe right before WW2 broke out. That’s why you’re likely going to buy into the next Big Lie about evil Palestinians, or evil Mexicans, or evil Chinese people next.

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            6 months ago

            What the fuck are you talking about?

            Get back to the point: you unconditionally defend revolutionaries and believe they are all saints who can do no wrong.