Saw this comment on the commie side of TikTok. My gut tells me this is ultraleft bs, but perhaps my fellow hexbears can educate me on this discussion which I’m sure is not new.

I don’t see how a poor American on food stamps is responsible, even though a systematic analysis reveals that international superexploitation is a thing.

The American proletariat can and should organize in any case. I don’t see how Americans can build any sort of socialist movement if any organization at all is accused of being hypocritical.

  • orangejuche [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    GDP is not reality. Yes we could provide Americans socialized healthcare, we could make housing affordable, we could reduce the cost of consumer goods. That’s not our goal, we aren’t trying to build the west a gilded cage where they can peacefully exist in heavily subsidized main streets and suburbs off the back of the socialist state. We want to tear down the American experience, their culture, their people, and remake it into something that can serve the global south rather than take from it. We want to do to America something much more punitive than what we did to East Germany. Yes they will get their healthcare, and housing, and treats. We will be taking their cars, their meats, their social media, their money, their guns, we will be taking so much from them because they need to pay reparations, and the payments will never end, we need to prepare the American working class to get into a mindset that they are in an eternal debt to the rest of humanity that they can never pay off and the only way this debt can stop existing is if the people can stop existing which is what we want since we are trying to stop whiteness from existing by simply better integrating communities together. I think it was Bolivia that forced racial integration by banning white marriages, not a perfect solution but our main concern is not the white working class. Our main concern could be to properly reeducate them to accept the equitable treatment we need to put on them, or we could not concern ourselves with trying to educate them at all and just force them to do as we say and cause resentment. The last thing we want is resentment, with education we can make people accept less.

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      The last thing we want is resentment

      …and the payments will never end, we need to prepare the American working class to get into a mindset that they are in an eternal debt to the rest of humanity that they can never pay off and the only way this debt can stop existing is if the people can stop existing…

      I fail to see how you can have both of these.

      Also whiteness is not synonymous with American. Millions of Americans are victims of whiteness.

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        I think reparations can be tolerable, I think that people are naturally good and will recognize that they have to give back what is not theirs even if they suffer materially because of it. Also you’re right about the second part, I should have just said white americans.

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          Yeah but neverending? Like their children’s children? At some point in this scenario, generations down the road, true equality has to be achieved at some point.

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            The reparations ends when the colonizer class no longer exists. So long as there is white people, so long as there is americans, there will have to be reparations.