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    I’d like to see fewer angry communists. Regular communists don’t bother me, but don’t be so aggressive about it.

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      Where are you finding non-angry Communists, except in Communist spaces where we don’t have to argue with liberals all the time?

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        Eh, solarpunk itself is an aesthetic, not an ideology. As such, like cottagecore and other aesthetics without ideological backing, there does exist a subset of ecofascists and ecofascist adjacent ideologies.

        Hexbear.net fits “happy communists” better.

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          disagreed! there is an aesthetic but there is also separately an ideology, and ecofascism is certainly not welcome on (e.g.) slrpnk.net. solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend

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            solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend

            That’s not a coherent ideology, that’s an aesthetic pulled from a ghibli-inspired milk commercial, which again reveals how an aesthetic can get taken advantage of by right-wing interests if there is no strong ideological framework.

            There’s no call to action, no theory to set to praxis. There is a goal, but no method to get there. Like all such movements, its doomed to fail the way the Owenites did.

            I love environmentalism and solar energy, veganism and self-sustainability. However, solarpunk as an encompassing “movement” is not the path there, as it’s an aesthetic.

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              This is written like someone that hasn’t kept up with solarpunk since that commercial came out.

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                  Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There’s enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.

                  Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.

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                    Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There’s enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.

                    I was interested, actually. I read through it, a lot of things people say they stand for and against, and what types of art styles they like and envision, but no actual theory or praxis behind it.

                    I already stated why it needs a strong ideological backbone to avoid being taken advantage of by ecofascists, but I’ll restate it: bad actors can and will use the aesthetic to push alternative messaging, just like what already happened to cottagecore.

                    Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.

                    Those are certainly good things, I never stated that Solarpunk is only “bad,” in fact I think many good things have come from it. However, to paint it as a place of “happy communists” when there have been ecofascists using it to push their messaging, is a bit off, hence why I pointed it out and explained my issues with it overall.

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                    Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement.

                    If it doesn’t have ideas and it isn’t testing those ideas through social practice it isn’t a movement?

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              you’re welcome to check out solarpunk thought leaders like andrewism! though i have to admit i doubt anything anywhere will ever meet your standards

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                How the fuck do aesthetics have thought leaders are you serious? Should I start calling OneohtrixPointNever a thought leader in fuckin post-gothic electronic shoegaze or whatever the hell his whole aesthetic is called?

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                Solarpunk isn’t an ideology though, it’s an aesthetic that can be molded depending on the views of those using it. I never said good people can’t use solarpunk to push a good message, I said there’s nothing stopping people from using Solarpunk to spread a bad message.

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                  that’s the conversation we’re having, isn’t it? i’d say solarpunk as an ideology predates solarpunk the aesthetic. che guevara shirts are sold in stores, after all.

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      Well, whenever the actions of capitalists stop affecting me and start being more escapable, that’s the exact minute I’ll stop being so angry. Sound like a deal?

      Giving some real “live your life however you want but don’t jam it down my throat” energy and that’s… Nah, fam. That’s not the wave.

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        We all have problems.

        Edit to add: yelling about them on the internet doesn’t do anything to solve them. Talking about it might.

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          Okay, do you think people have the right to get angry at problems they have in their life due to an incredibly violent and inefficient system?

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            Yes, there’s plenty of anger all over the world. Plenty of people who have been wronged. The type of stuff I’m referring to is more like “owning a house and having people pay you money so they can live there is criminal”, but in an “all caps” sort of tone. That sort of thing.

            Feel free to talk about how rent is too high, we need legislation, etc. etc., but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances, my preference would be for the culture of Lemmy to not be that.

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              owning a house and having people pay you money so they can live there is criminal”

              The system that makes housing operate that way is criminal. Housing should not be a commodity

              but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances

              Honestly in most discussions I find the communists to be the more nuanced of the bunch.

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              but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances, my preference would be for the culture of Lemmy to not be that.

              Well, it’s a nice strawman you erected to put on a piñata show for the class. Let’s hear what you think is “some sort of off-the-wall ideology”; 'cause at this point, I’d bet my left eye you’re about to say some shit that eventually terminates at “I’m okay with the global north murdering anyone they need to to maintain hegemony”.

              EDIT: 🦗🎶, 🦗🎶, 🦗🎶…

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          Edit to add: yelling about them on the internet doesn’t do anything to solve them. Talking about it might.

          People do talk, sometimes talking doesn’t work, and yelling does.