Seeing mixed reports about the head of wagner rolling into Rostov, Russia. All kinds of other rumors swirling around. Anyone have any good info, or good sources to follow?
News blackout currently underway as of the night of the 23rd. Don’t trust anything being said at the moment as it’s all speculation and rumor. Even from official sources a lot of the information in a breaking story is going to be wrong, exaggerated, or confusing.
I’m going to check with Russian sources when I wake up, but currently there is no information coming out of the area or about Wagner.
Also the videos showing Wagners “coup” in Rostov are a bit funny. If they are what they claim to be, Wagners force appears to be 2 tanks (one modern and one very obsolete tank by the look of things), 1 IFV, 2 armored Humvee style cars, 1 military transport truck, and then about 5-10 assorted civilian vehicles.
Assuming they’re all full to the brim with troops and supplies, that’s enough men and machines for what? An under-strength Company of troops? The NYPD could handle that force.
NYPD’s budget is larger than the military budget of many small countries (for eg. DPRK) lol
the NYPD pays way way way more for that gear though, there’s no way they have more equipment than the DPRK’s army
This is the inevitible result of nations wholly relying on mercenary groups to fight their wars. As major powers, not just Russia, continue to rely on privatized militaries these militaries are going to become emboldened and realize how much power they have over their capitalist financiers.
The other day I was listening to an old episode of The Deprogram where they talked about this. Surreal to see it actually happening now.
once again Metal Gear Solid correctly predicted something lol
I listened to the Putin speech where he referenced 1917. I know he’s not a fan of the Bolsheviks, but it seems he took issue with the violence of the civil war and the incompetence of the Empire than the actions of the Bolsheviks, at least that’s my reading of it.
He’s worried that he’s going to get couped in a similar style to the Tsar, because all things considered, the Bolsheviks were an extremely weak fighting force compared to the Imperial army, but after their ranks were bolstered by defectors from WW1, and with the popular will of the people, they were able to sweep the Whites aside with relative ease.
they were able to sweep the Whites aside with relative ease.
In Petersburg at first yeah. But the civil war was incredibly hard. If whites actually managed to coordinate even with themselves, not to mention with intervents, they would probably won. Hell, the worst moment in war was when Yudenich managed to somewhat coordinate with Kolchak, and even then Kolchak fucked it up by being stuck up imperialist pig.
Well some parts of Wagner apparently tried the dumbest semi-coup against the MoD. Seems like this was known in advance, because some videos, etc by the RAF were spread immediately. Western media reacted so fast, it looks kinda sus too, especially factoring in that Navalny called on the Russian military to join Wagner.
Also Putin being the revisionist he is dared to compare this to February 1917.
dared to compare this to February 1917.
More like september 1917 (august old style)
Putin being the revisionist he is dared to compare this to February 1917
To the surprise of no-one.
Navalny called on the Russian military to join Wagner
For real? I’ve not heard about this, where’d you see it?
As others have said, we need to wait.
The presence of “Wagner PMC” troops at the Rostov headquarters of the Southern Military Command is no more than several dozen people, maybe 50 in all. The tank and the two APCs that were previously positioned outside the building have been parked.
That is what some TG channel said, and there was some video with civillians next to some soldiers. Still, nothing official.
do you remember which TG channel it was?
Damn this seems like a proper plot twist. Tonali going to Newcastle for £70m level of unexpected here. Interested to see how this pans out and where the dust settles but thus far doesn’t seem ideal
money really ruining football…tonali should be a milan player but their ownership just doesn’t care
I recommend waiting a day for all the rumors and other BS to filter themselves out.
Yeah, a bit hard to tell what’s actually going on with that. Things will probably clear up within a day or two. Does appear that it is serious given Putin’s address.
True. Mostly, though, I just want my mind to pass the “WTF” phase first before I start processing the event.
Like…I know Prigozhin is nuts, but…WTF?
The fact that he was allowed to operate as long as he did is the real failure in my opinion. He should’ve never been allowed to go to the front lines and build himself up the way he did, and once he started making unhinged statements that should’ve been the end of it months ago. It’s absolutely surreal that they let it get this far.
I just read about it in the newsletter from Heather Cox Richardson, who is normally my source of Trump prosecution news. https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/june-23-2023-friday Seems like a big turning point for Russia’s internal organization. How will Putin co-opt this “rebellion” is my question and who will he throw under the bus. I’m guessing he consolidates generals under the Wagner guy, but maybe that won’t work?
That source is just pure lib speculation and just takes whatever US imperialists say as true with no critical thought. It seems to just be pro-democrat propaganda.
I am aware that she is staunchly democrat. You can use unaligned information sources, my friend.
one thing I’m not sure of
Was this just a one off by Prigozhin, acting like an idiot for whatever reason, or something done with backing from the CIA
The only place for a mercenary is prison. We are now learning why this is the case.
a for-profit prison?
