America into a re-vitalized, progressive nation with strong social welfare. (This may sound absurd, but I have a whole set of reasonings and indicators supporting this that are too long to elaborate here)

How’d that one work out?

  • vertexarray [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    45·
    10 months ago

    he’s going to fall up every flight of stairs in the Winchester house and eventually tumble up through the atmosphere into space

  • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    24·
    10 months ago

    He’s got one term left, and as we all know every great president accomplishes absolutely nothing of value for 7 years 11 months and then in the first week of December of that last year they magically do all the stuff they promised but failed to do the rest of their term.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      10 months ago

      I still believe that America’s socialist future will come from Biden in an accidental manner

      By… Sparking a revolution that overthrows the ruling class?

      Not sure how you think anything he does is going to result in socialism other than him fucking up tremendously. What “accident” are you expecting?

    • RedDawn [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      10·
      10 months ago

      some of my previous calculations

      So what were and are your calculations? What are you basing this prediction on? Seems weird to throw it out there and not elaborate.

        • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          10·
          10 months ago

          I’m gonna ignore stages 1-3 which I have various disagreements with but isn’t the main problem really, I just want to ask why you think stage 4 will be a socialist outcome and not a fascist outcome given historical precedents or revolution attempts in the imperial core.

            • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              6·
              10 months ago

              So what happens to all the ideological fascists we’ve seen grow over the last 20 or so years? At what point do they stop growing and why don’t they play a major part in any of this? Does Biden murder them all or do re-education programs?

              The entire thesis of Marx about the development of capitalism and its contradictions giving way to socialism would have to be wrong.

              It was wrong in that he believed it would happen in advanced industrialised countries rather than those that are at the highest level of exploitation. This was his euro exceptionalist brainworms talking at the time.

                • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  3·
                  10 months ago

                  Their backers aren’t weakened. Industrial and manufacturing labour simply exists where it previously did not. Their backers retain all the money and power they always had on top of gaining a far greater incentive to invest in fascists as an opposition to the growing labour movement.

                  Socialists will not win under these conditions, against half a country already fascist that only needs organising, and a political structure that is already seeing true believer fascists funded by democrats and getting into power. You think Florida is magically going to stop being fascist after what has been done to it? When? Why? What is happening with all the fascists? Nothing is. They’ve been on a path of growth for 35 years now and they will continue on this path.

            • JuneFall [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
              5·
              10 months ago

              You do also think that the US stays monolithic hegemomial due to the dollar game, while the multipolar world doesn’t come to fruition. I do think that if industrial capacity somewhere else is destroyed then other places will get to the forefront, this doesn’t have to be the USA.

        • JuneFall [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          5·
          10 months ago

          I wonder if your conception is a bit too focused on nationalism in the USA and ignores the internationalist/financial pressure pressure for low wages and control over people’s body more than is currently possible in the USA outside the prison industrial complex.

          Nigeria for example is a huge country that will grow quite well for the next decades till the effects of climate change will make it much harder to live there, which will bring lower agricultural output with it and the instabilities caused by climate change, political instability (according to OP’s text etc.). Could be - just like Mexico or special development zones in the USA be used for cheap labour. Which Awoo did hint at in another comment (that just because labour due to isolationist economy is more needed, doesn’t mean it will immediately win).

          I would also ask what degree of separation from the dollar you think is possible with oil/gas and gold which are convertible in foreign trade quite well. So my question would in addition be what are the fundamental texts or competencies of yourself you use to draw for your outlook (don’t dox yourself though).

        • RedDawn [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          4·
          10 months ago

          Thanks for elaborating. I’m not sure it will shake out that way but it’s an interesting possibility. How does this thought experiment go if Trump beats Biden in 2024, does it make a difference?

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    9·
    10 months ago

    You can’t time the bottom. Things don’t get worse steadily, day by day. There are periods when things are looking up. The long term trend is worse. I agree that there are some recent shifts in attitude. Maybe things just got too ridiculous during the Trump administration and the pandemic. But I think the trend will reassert itself. The Biden regime has had some good surprises but a lot of bad shit and pointless concessions to chud thought.

    And of course, a lot of the stuff I think the US needs is not on the road map and not being discussed and I don’t think it’s even solvable within decades. For example, towns need to be denser basically everywhere. Too many people have their life savings tied up in big houses with big lawns. Americans lost their minds about the ACA, which regulates and subsidizes health insurance. Can you imagine the riots if the president said we need to reign in the suburbs?