That sub is mostly pretty boring these days, but ocassionally they come through with a cringe masterpiece like this.

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    I wonder if their dad mentioned the Donbas genocide. This kid is trying to say their dad believes IDF-esque propaganda with regard to Putin but fails to mention the context of the war. The dad either didn’t mention it, which would be an error, or he did and his shitty kid is just omitting that info. I wonder how old this person is because, no offence to teenagers, they have the energy of a typical teenager that thinks they have everything figured out but really they know absolutely nothing. I know I was like that as a kid (not nearly as bad as this person but I was misinformed about America’s enemies, thanks John Oliver) and it’s embarrassing to look back on. Kids need to stay humble and curious, because they’re growing and still learning and thats okay.

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      Yeah, youth is a very vulnerable time. I used to be that kid, too, that thought at 17 he had figured out most of what life was about. Thankfully, like you, I wasn’t as bad as this lad, but still, it sure is embarrassing to think back on.

      This is a wee off topic but the ongoing coup in Venezuela has been very illustrative. On the 29th, after an uneventful election day on the 28th, riots began to form in small groups around the country, and these were mostly kids, and literal shitheads, as in criminals. It was very similar to the HK riots, where droves of youth were misled thanks to their British colonial education and social media. Old folks from Hong Kong knew better because they either lived through the Brit bullshit or had direct family that did. The same happens in Venezuela to an extent, the old people are aware of what the 4th Republic was and the rights they fought for that led to the Bolivarian Revolution. This is very common in post-socialist or AES countries, where kids can be misled easily, because all they’ve known has been life under socialist governments or have grown in a post-socialist landscape where socialism is blamed for everything. Our Eastern European comrades can attest to that. This is of course, on top of the capitalist propaganda we’re subjected to.

      So, as with Milei, the youth were central to his election, and the youth have been the focus of fascist rhetoric through social media for quite some time. Without a revolutionary education to channel the energy of youth, it will decay into reaction against everything they’ve known. It is this misdirection that we broke with. But thanks, I wanted an excuse to develop that angle of how important social media is in indoctrinating youth.

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      Having issue finding anything in English stating anything other than the Donbas genocide being a smokescreen to justify Russia’s invasion. For reference, I’m searching using searx which anonymously gathers info. Do you have any links to publications about it with supporting evidence?

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

        https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

        https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1GV2TC/

        https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/

        https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians

        These are just pieces. You’re not going to find any western mainstream media outlet disputing the propaganda narrative and putting together a huge dossier of Ukraine’s crimes. We see right now people like the weapon’s inspector who blew the whistle on Bush lying about WMD’s in Iraq being harassed by the FBI just for daring to take Russia’s side, anyone who does so is tarred and feathered as a Russian asset. Look no further than the uniformity in downplaying ‘israeli’ crimes in occupied Palestine, the one-sided narrative that suits those committing genocide that is onmipresent in mainstream western press to see how easily and nakedly this can occur.

        Fact is the west decided which side they were on a while ago. Once the war started any room for pointing out the Nazis and the little issues in Ukraine’s WW2 era Nazi collaborator worshiping, Russian hating regime was completely removed, subtle prods from journos for reform with exposes were now tantamount to treason, to siding with Russia and justifying their pretext and thus silenced.

        Also forgive me but WHAT THE FUCK IS a smokescreen genocide? Is it or isn’t it? I’m personally not sure it rises quite to genocide but it definitely rose to ethnic and cultural persecution of an extreme level that included actual violence, horrific human rights abuses, deploying absolute depraved monsters to do every manner of sick, vile, criminal human rights abuses imaginable to the Russian identifying people in eastern Ukraine who rejected what looked like to them (and what most of us and many impartial realists maintain was a coup helped by the US) a regime put in place to escalate tensions with Russia for the purpose of 1) hurting Russia and weakening an adversary, 2) pressuring Europe to decouple from cheap Russian gas for US gas, among a litany of other benefits for the US including dangling a threat over them to keep them in line and close behind them under NATO.

        The postmortem on all this with all the evidence won’t be written until the war is over with Russia actually victorious. If Russia accepts an negotiated truce many of these facts will remain disputed for decades more with the Russians having extensive evidence, reporting, etc on all this which is rejected by the west as propaganda.

        Edit And I should state the oppression of Russians was a piece of it, it gave them a causus belli (why would Ukraine do that? again this is a bad thing, bad nations do this). As was the extensive presence of Nazis and fascists in their government, army, intelligence, etc. The real issue though is NATO bringing in Ukraine and parking nukes that can hit Moscow with 6-10 minutes warning time. That’s not enough time to run in and wake up the president, let him rub sleep from his eyes and press a proverbial button. That’s aggressive. That’s aggression. The US lost it’s mind when the USSR parked nukes in Cuba (nukes that would have taken I believe 20-30 minutes to hit Washington) and by the way those were only placed there in response to the US first placing nukes in Turkey pointing at Russia’s underbelly. Russia is a nation that for centuries has been invaded and attacked through the Ukraine. Now a belligerent wants to place weapons that could decapitate it’s command and control in an instant just for want of one failure in acting a minute too slow and you expect them to be okay with this?

        Why does NATO, a cold war alliance need to expand east since Russia is no longer the USSR or communist? It must be because it’s explicitly a tool of US power, because it’s a tool to keep Russia down and out. Russia tried to join NATO in the early 2000s, they made overtures of getting closer to the west but were rebuffed because the US does not want a strong Russia balancing out the power of the US and giving Europe a choice and more power themselves, they want Russia as a threat, Europe kept in line by a threat, etc.

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    DA JOOS - I mean (((zionists)))

    I would fully expect this casual erasure of anticolonial Jews from conservatives, but seeing a presumable socialist take part in it almost enrages me. Don’t anti‐Zionist Jews deserve a chance to be heard, instead of being dismissed out of hand with fake statistics like ‘99% of Jews are Zionist’ or some other bullshit excuse? I’m tired of it.

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      That tag is probably “ironic” only when they think they can’t get away with it. That sub is probably full of actual neo-nazis.

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        That sub is probably full of actual neo-nazis.

        It is for sure. I remember someone posting a screenshot from tankiejerk in which one of their users was asking why there were so many “far right opinions” there lol

        like “hmm I wonder why this anti-communist sub I’ve joined has so many nazis in it. 🤷‍♂️ It’s a mystery”

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        Your chance of finding them corresponds directly with how far down you explore the anti-communist iceberg.

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    “Son, I would kill legions of stormtroopers to avenge your death.”

    “Wow dad a bit problematic go fuck yourself.”

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    Isn’t that the sub that whines about us like once a week and is otherwise a deserted shithole? Yeah.

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    “My dad supports Putin” Translation: My dad knows Ukraine is a money laundering scheme and their government is full of Nazis.

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      I knew a young guy at work who was this like in regards to the “common knowledge” thing. His mom came from the USSR and had positives view of it while he was born in the US, and he was like “Doesn’t she know it was an awful dictatorship? Everyone knows that.” Zero critical awareness even with the aid of having his own mom there to nudge him away from status quo narrative.

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        Yes, I remember that when I was growing up and getting interested in communism, conservative acquaintances used to very smugly tell me “just wait until you talk to people who actually lived under that system.” Well, guess what? When I actually did, I heard a lot of favorable views of the USSR and the eastern bloc in general.

        The libs have recognized this phenomenon, of course, and they now explain it by “false nostalgia through early traumatization” or some other such shit.

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          It’s pretty convenient for liberals that anyone with anything positive to say about communism is an unacceptable source either due to not having experienced it or due to having experienced it.

          Almost like some kind of unfalsifiable orthodoxy.

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            This somehow also applies to my having experienced capitalism my whole life, which you would think would give me some authority on the subject but actually apparently makes me biased and unreliable

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              In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

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      Yeah, it’s almost like a real-life meme, with the soyjack lib son saying, “akshually, being anti-west is bad,” and the chad anti-imperialist dad saying “I love you and I’d join Hamas to protect you.”

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    Having kids is reactionary.

    Not for any weird anti-natalist reason, just because when marxists have kids they always seem to turn into the biggest shitlibs imaginable.

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      Or: pretend to be a shitlib, and then when they react and become Marxist, go “so hey, Bobby, you know all those times I said I was out at the bridge club? I was going to Party meetings.”

      Either a bonding moment, or a “whoah dad is crazy” moment, depending on how you spin it.

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        Great, now you’ve got me hoping theres a slim chance this is what my parents have been doing, and theres a chance of them not being irredeemable reactionaries.