I haven’t seen the show but I listened to some friends argue about it and one of them said “do you really expect a kids show to have the protagonist curb stomp the evil villain at the end?”
“do you really expect a kids show to have the protagonist curb stomp the evil villain at the end?”
Friendship is Magic, a setting where pastel cartoon horses learn about friendship, once encountered basically Pony Hitler that tried to start a reactionary racist regime based entirely on a Reichstag-fire-like false flag and a fear campaign.
After that, she was sent to Pony Hell. For real. It was called Tartarus, but it was literally Pony Hell. Forgiveness (which she had exploited at the start of her coup attempt) had its limits.
I’ve only seen a few episodes here and there from when my partner watched the whole series but I generally liked MLP and this only affirms that opinion.
The show definitely has its flaws and some serious ideological problems from time to time (characters receive “cutie marks” which are a bit like a vague determinism, the land is ruled over by a 1000+ year old regime of superbeings with very long indeterminate lifespans and sometimes a mere mortal can be elevated to join their caste if the reigning rulers feel like it, the one major threat to that system was portrayed as a cult leader and a hypocrite), but overall if you like thoughtful kids’ shows that have enough wit and cleverness to entertain adults too, worth watching more.
well, no, they don’t compromise with them at all (they force them to heal at the people they killed)
the only reason people think they were forgiven or compromised with is because the show protrayed restorative justice in a maybe overly cheery manner and not as much of a somber reflection as it is IRL
i think the cringe liberal part is that they don’t show them having to actually be forced to do it, they’re just like “you need to fix your shit” and they’re like “OK!!!” which is a pretty lib depiction of how restorative justice would have to work lol
It’s a colorful show primarily about growth and family and self discovery and overcoming trauma so “Steven Universe says to befriend fascists ” is, in my opinion, just a bad faith hot take dunk attempt by people who have some kind of grudge or just hate anything that isn’t grimdark prestige TV.
Like I said before, “from what I’ve been told,” specifically about the genocide-committing antagonist that is apparently “forgiven” in the end. I haven’t actually personally gotten around to watching it, though the fandom can be really, really aggressive at times so it tends to discourage me too.
If you’re not generally a fan of animated shows for kids already, it’s not gonna be worth your time, especially since it starts pretty slow. I don’t know anything about the fandom but I’m sure it’s a shit show just like every other fandom.
If you’re not generally a fan of animated shows for kids already
I am, actually. I’ve seen quite a few of them, but early (personal, I might add) negative experiences with the SU fandom put me off a bit and I didn’t get around to actually watching it.
just like every other fandom
Some fandoms can be worse overall than others especially when it comes to size and prevalence of their toxic sides.
I still play 40k sometimes but I accept and admit that for the most part the average 40k experience among strangers is going to be pretty awful compared to, say, Pathfinder.
well the “toxic side” people usually complain about is people who are too militant about being against drawing the characters thinner so while it is weird and toxic it’s not the kind of weird and toxic 40k is
I won’t argue with you there. Sometimes I do seriously consider giving up on my Orkz entirely because casual play with strangers more often than not makes this thing make funny sounds
Admittedly, very old portrayals of Orkz, that predate when I started playing, had uniform and aesthetics. I only found out about that later. I of course reject that entirely and I’ve even refused to play with people that had “vintage” pieces.
From what I’ve been told, this also calls out the ending of Steven Universe
I haven’t seen the show but I listened to some friends argue about it and one of them said “do you really expect a kids show to have the protagonist curb stomp the evil villain at the end?”
To which I could only respond
It’s only mature if nothing really changes and all the set pieces just go back to their default positions, like in Harry Potter
Friendship is Magic, a setting where pastel cartoon horses learn about friendship, once encountered basically Pony Hitler that tried to start a reactionary racist regime based entirely on a Reichstag-fire-like false flag and a fear campaign.
After that, she was sent to Pony Hell. For real. It was called Tartarus, but it was literally Pony Hell. Forgiveness (which she had exploited at the start of her coup attempt) had its limits.
I’ve only seen a few episodes here and there from when my partner watched the whole series but I generally liked MLP and this only affirms that opinion.
The show definitely has its flaws and some serious ideological problems from time to time (characters receive “cutie marks” which are a bit like a vague determinism, the land is ruled over by a 1000+ year old regime of superbeings with very long indeterminate lifespans and sometimes a mere mortal can be elevated to join their caste if the reigning rulers feel like it, the one major threat to that system was portrayed as a cult leader and a hypocrite), but overall if you like thoughtful kids’ shows that have enough wit and cleverness to entertain adults too, worth watching more.
well, no, they don’t compromise with them at all (they force them to heal at the people they killed) the only reason people think they were forgiven or compromised with is because the show protrayed restorative justice in a maybe overly cheery manner and not as much of a somber reflection as it is IRL
Well, since what I’ve been told left that part out, that’s interesting and may deserve further investigation. I appreciate the information.
i think the cringe liberal part is that they don’t show them having to actually be forced to do it, they’re just like “you need to fix your shit” and they’re like “OK!!!” which is a pretty lib depiction of how restorative justice would have to work lol
I also appreciate that volunteered additional information. It makes it seem more like a thorough and less biased portrayal.
thanks
It’s a colorful show primarily about growth and family and self discovery and overcoming trauma so “Steven Universe says to befriend fascists
” is, in my opinion, just a bad faith hot take dunk attempt by people who have some kind of grudge or just hate anything that isn’t grimdark prestige TV.
Like I said before, “from what I’ve been told,” specifically about the genocide-committing antagonist that is apparently “forgiven” in the end. I haven’t actually personally gotten around to watching it, though the fandom can be really, really aggressive at times so it tends to discourage me too.
If you’re not generally a fan of animated shows for kids already, it’s not gonna be worth your time, especially since it starts pretty slow. I don’t know anything about the fandom but I’m sure it’s a shit show just like every other fandom.
I am, actually. I’ve seen quite a few of them, but early (personal, I might add) negative experiences with the SU fandom put me off a bit and I didn’t get around to actually watching it.
Some fandoms can be worse overall than others especially when it comes to size and prevalence of their toxic sides.
I still play 40k sometimes but I accept and admit that for the most part the average 40k experience among strangers is going to be pretty awful compared to, say, Pathfinder.
well the “toxic side” people usually complain about is people who are too militant about being against drawing the characters thinner so while it is weird and toxic it’s not the kind of weird and toxic 40k is
I won’t argue with you there. Sometimes I do seriously consider giving up on my Orkz entirely because casual play with strangers more often than not makes this thing make funny sounds
orkz based
Admittedly, very old portrayals of Orkz, that predate when I started playing, had
uniform and aesthetics. I only found out about that later. I of course reject that entirely and I’ve even refused to play with people that had “vintage” pieces.
They’re also fundamentally alien. Nobody talks about Steven’s cultural imperialism of their fascist traditions!