Like seriously it’s so fucking transparent that us govt and its various agencies being on a side of drugs in the war on drugs. It’s really the 3rd Opium War and it’s being waged by USA against its citizens.
Maybe it’s where I am, but yeah clean opiates are nearly impossible to find. 99.9 percent of opiate sales are done in the form of fake perc 30s with fent or nitazenes in them
cracking down and pulling the rug out from people absolutely led to countless deaths.
but everyone had to personally know 5+ people who died of toxic drugs before any harm reduction was in the realm of consideration. naloxone has only been legal for 10 years and nominally available for 5ish.
I never knew anyone that overdosed on legit pharma opiates. The dosage is always correct and oxycodone and others have a reasonably high ld50. Not saying no one did but when pills were everywhere naloxone was hardly needed at all.
it’s a fair point. essentially what happened was just total industry deregulation.
it wasn’t regulated in the way some people wanted to begin with. doctors being the sole gatekeepers and only allowing access according to clinical guidelines arrived at by legitimate scientific research. in their attempt to enforce this they ruined what controls were in place. the pill mills were hooked into the pharmaceutical supplies and therefor provided a reliable and predictable product for the consumer.
See the graph I posted in another comment that shows pretty dramatically what happened
There’s been some clean stuff recently tested at DrugsData, legitimately just heroin. Bought from a darknet vendor in Canada. I imagine that’s INSANELY rare.
I just did some very light research and did find this graph.
Appears to depict H becoming safer and safer over time. The deaths from heroin are about what they were from methadone 20 years ago. (Ignoring all methodological issues in determining “cause of death”.)
I expect this is basically due to how impossible heroin is to get, perhaps the only users left over are those with the ability to obtain a very good supply. Whereas 95% people are stuck with the other stuff.
They dont actually care about saving lives they just care about making it look like they give a shit while causing a much bigger issue. Now theres more deaths than ever just so they can use it as another boogyman instead of making safer alternatives.
Or you know just making life better for everyone so people dont have to do opiates to cope.
is heroin back on the market?
last i heard it was basically impossible to get
These days I think all of it is just 3 fentanyl grains in a trenchcoat.
No way lol is this true?
World poppy production has plummeted after the US left Afghanistan
Like seriously it’s so fucking transparent that us govt and its various agencies being on a side of drugs in the war on drugs. It’s really the 3rd Opium War and it’s being waged by USA against its citizens.
Maybe it’s where I am, but yeah clean opiates are nearly impossible to find. 99.9 percent of opiate sales are done in the form of fake perc 30s with fent or nitazenes in them
They should have let the pill mills stay open
cracking down and pulling the rug out from people absolutely led to countless deaths.
but everyone had to personally know 5+ people who died of toxic drugs before any harm reduction was in the realm of consideration. naloxone has only been legal for 10 years and nominally available for 5ish.
I never knew anyone that overdosed on legit pharma opiates. The dosage is always correct and oxycodone and others have a reasonably high ld50. Not saying no one did but when pills were everywhere naloxone was hardly needed at all.
it’s a fair point. essentially what happened was just total industry deregulation.
it wasn’t regulated in the way some people wanted to begin with. doctors being the sole gatekeepers and only allowing access according to clinical guidelines arrived at by legitimate scientific research. in their attempt to enforce this they ruined what controls were in place. the pill mills were hooked into the pharmaceutical supplies and therefor provided a reliable and predictable product for the consumer.
See the graph I posted in another comment that shows pretty dramatically what happened
it remains basically impossible
really the only way to get Heroin is diy (morphine isn’t as illegal as heroin)
There’s been some clean stuff recently tested at DrugsData, legitimately just heroin. Bought from a darknet vendor in Canada. I imagine that’s INSANELY rare.
I just did some very light research and did find this graph.
Appears to depict H becoming safer and safer over time. The deaths from heroin are about what they were from methadone 20 years ago. (Ignoring all methodological issues in determining “cause of death”.)
I expect this is basically due to how impossible heroin is to get, perhaps the only users left over are those with the ability to obtain a very good supply. Whereas 95% people are stuck with the other stuff.
source: US CDC & Dept of HHS NCHS Data Brief: “Drug Overdose Deaths in the United States, 2002–2022” Number 491, March 2024
That’s terrifying.
Ya it’s always a re-shock to see how dramatic things are. that graph is based on this chart
death from any opiod - total:
death from Synthetic opioids other than methadone:
nice work FDA
They dont actually care about saving lives they just care about making it look like they give a shit while causing a much bigger issue. Now theres more deaths than ever just so they can use it as another boogyman instead of making safer alternatives.
Or you know just making life better for everyone so people dont have to do opiates to cope.