I sometimes wonder what 4chan would be like today if moot actually had a spine and banned /pol/ before it turned the entire site into a recruiting ground for stormfront and other nazis.
Moot was aware of far right extremists constantly forumsliding the boards, and instead of standing up to the people literally stealing his brainchild right under his nose, he gave the bastards their own imageboard to better organise the 4chan takeover from.
Moot is the biggest cuck in internet history. He saw the nazis coming for his website and he handed it over to them for nothing. And then, when the nazi infection was complete, he sold it to a Japanese right wing scammer and extremist.
4chan was always a shithole of a website, but it used to be more of a hiding place for recluses, weirdos and outcasts than a nazi grooming forum.
I made friends there, shared in hobbies and interests and trolled the shit out of people in online games with the anons.
Now the website is a complete parody of itself.
Did 4chan move right, or did you just move left? I admit I tend to be skeptical of claims that the site used to be better. They smell of rose-colored glasses to me.
Both are obviously true. But 4chan really did just used to be edgy kids and not outright nazism. There was very little moderation so there was everything, but the really popular boards were like furries, bronies, /b/ and other such weirdos and outcasts and big_bob said. Their comment is largely correct, but even in it’s less reactionary form it was still an unmoderated forum filled with edgy teenagers and bad actors and pedophiles and worst of all, gamers.
I was also there in the early days, and yeah, it was better. The shift started somewhere around 2008 to 2010. During the Bush admin, it was a breath of fresh air to see a place that was anti war, anti evangelical, and pro gay marriage. Of course, they were also horrible edgelords trying to keep the normies out by making their site culture completely toxic.
This was very much my experience too. There was very little in actual right-wing politics, 4chan got it’s initial reputation because /b/ was the ultimate edgelord place, but even their more popular threads were actually community activities, railing against war and problematic organisations (see: scientology). Pretty much every other board was just a passionate, interested group in their own things.
I mean I never personally quite vibed with 4chan, but it was entertaining and people there actually cared. I remember a spate of cool MS-Paint-Adventure type threads that got really involved and were super fun. I could absolutely understand making friends there.
It really was an internet experiment, it was maybe the first one to show that upholding absolute free speech tends to attract too many nazi outcasts from elsewhere, then nazis make it a nazi community. The early internet pre-2008, this was still a valid way to exist as a site, because there were no “main” sites to get banned from for you naziism, it was just billions of small communities (which I still yearn for).
I think it has to be taken in the context of what American counter culture has historically been like (run through with chauvinist libertinism absolutely everywhere, even in spaces that broadly held at least some left wing or positive aspects) as well as the state of the left at the time (absolutely dismal, incoherent, and fragmented in a way that makes the sad state of affairs today look good by comparison).
Like when I was in highschool all the queer outcasts and theater kids were on 4chan, and when I was in college I wound up spending a lot of time on a /tg/ D&D IRC server that one of my old highschool friends invited me to which was run by a gay couple. I can only describe it as that the sort of edgy nihilism and bigotry that ran through 4chan’s culture was just sort of tacitly tolerated at the time even by the targets of it, because that’s just how bad things were back then and that to engage in counter culture at all meant hardening oneself to it and never letting on that it bothered you.
And then we hit the crystalizing point of gamergate/its surrounding culture war flash points, and at once the chauvinists became militantly worse because instead of just being assholes they now had a unified objective to fight to make things worse by being even more aggressively awful, and at the same time there was a reaction against that and people increasingly stopped putting up with their bullshit and started carving out spaces that were better and less toxic for counter culture.
I’ve only ever known 4chan for edgy racist tripe and violent sexual imagery.
When did this mythical 4chan exist? because I’ve known about the site since ~2010
2010is about where things tipped
Same here, I was growing up around the time 4chan was blowing up, and it always had the reputation of being Nazi-adjacent. I was never a poster or lurker though, so my impression of it only comes from hearing about it.
The entire internet shifted during the Obama years. Liberal both sidesing and ‘defend your right to say it’ of racist attacks normalized a lot of the hard white supremacy in popular spaces that during the Bush years were largely quarantined to the real stormfront site.
Fascists are xenomorphs, liberals are Weyland-Yutani
Emotionally, I am a leaky flamethrower.
Moot was also just a kid. 4chan was entirely unprecedented. He thought by quarantining the fascists to one board, they would stay there and not fan out to other websites or even other parts of 4chan.
Obviously he was wrong, but we know what we know now because of what happened to 4chan. I don’t think there’s anything he could have done at the time anyway because a lot of it was a coordinated effort by Stormfront.
Wait until these groypers find out all the land is owned by white business interests but they’ll still blame the jews anyway.
They recently started to blame jews for slavery in the Americas
Guess we know where we are on the
It didn’t happen —> It was good —> It wasn’t that bad —> other people did it too —> It was a Jewish conspiracy
Chud historical atrocity narrative progression
It was a Jewish conspiracy—-> ? —-> Palestiniand must be annihilated
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And they’re making even more money by signing agreements to not plant too much of anything lest they make food too affordable.
Just saying, I highly doubt the numbers in the post. But as a Spanish person I gotta say how fucked private agriculture is. How does it make sense that everyone is planting whatever they want and this turns into boom-bust cycles of the prices of certain crops? Happened with lemons (very profitable 5 years ago, everyone planted lemon trees, this year all lemon trees start producing, overproduction ensues, catastrophic price fall and millions of tons of lemons wasted). Is happening with pistachio. Fucking hell, how are people so blind to how inefficient this shit is!!!
You know what’s even funnier? This shit happens worldwide
Monocultures are the fucking worst. If you move to alternative agriculture models it’s difficult to make it extractive and speculative
I highly doubt the numbers in the post.
Yeah, the margins gor farming have to be way smaller than this post makes it out yo be
I think op didn’t even consider that you need a bunch of labor and even if you’re running the cleanest organic potato farm, you need to add shit to the soil, or have a lot of it to practice crop rotation and no-till agriculture
This is bullshit. The pistachios don’t look any cheaper to me.
That’s exactly the point. Pistachios are expensive now, so for the past 3 years, there’s been a pistachio fever where farmers have been planting so many of the trees. But trees take years until they yield pistachio, so for now the investment is made and the trees are just growing, but the pistachio production has barely grown. In a few years, the trees will start producing, the market will be saturated with pistachio, and the price at the farm of pistachios will drop dramatically as it always happens with every fucking boom-bust crop
100 m^2 = 0.01 ha, so the implied yield here is 100 t/ha, which is about 2-5x the typical yield. Let’s assume you can get $10,000 retail out of a single hectare (that assumes $2/kilo at a more reasonable yield). Farmers typically only see about 1/10th of that, so it’ll take 100x more land to produce the stated amount of revenue - about $1,000 per hectare rather than per 100 square meters. Find 100 hectares of land (probably doable with a minor 1-2 million dollar investment) and keep your inputs down and you’re on easy street!
If you want to make money farming, you don’t grow potatoes. They are possibly the cheapest thing you can grow. Instead you grow salad greens, a cash crop.
To be completely fair, 100ha of agricultural land in the countryside in Spain will set you back much less than 1-2M€, but yeah, your calculations seem more believable
It’s the reverse. Prices dictate what farmers plant.
My comment says “lemon prices were high so farmers planted lemons”, I’m agreeing with you. “Planting whatever you want” to me doesn’t mean absolute independence from market signals, it means having the ultimate decision over it instead of relying on some other entity making the decision for you (or making it collectively and democratically)
Total non sequiter but is there a way to differentiate between 100 square meters (25 meters x 4 meters) and 100 meters squared (100 meters x 100 meters)
100 meters squared only ever needs to be said after someone asks you what a hectare is - or if they know but you want to show off the symetrical dinensions of your hectare
I never heard “x meters squared”, 100 “meters squared” (10,000 m²) is a hectare, or 1% of a km² if you will
This is another example of the failures of the imperial system of measurements.
We get acres which aren’t even a square unit in its purist form.
It’s like 6.5’ x 66.5’ or 1 rod by 1 chain (10 rods)
Half a hectare, 0.4 actually
100 m²
(100 m)²
Legit not trying to be a pedantic asshole so apologies in advance but how would you write that without notation if you were trying to communicate it clearly via text.
100 square meters = 100 m^2
100 meters squared = (100 m)^2 = 10000 m^2
Ideally, if you’re talking about area you’d want to make sure you stick to the form “square meters”.
Ahhh, the puh-tay-tuh! Most versatile fruit in the land! Eat em, drink em, throw em!
“Seems you’ve encountered the classic Irishmans paradox, do I eat the potatoes now or wait for it to ferment and drink it later” - Mallory archer
Farmers don’t get rich tho. Except if their land is in a highly sought residential zone. Yknow, to make it non-farming land.
Eh if you own say 100 ha of top tier land and work yourself to death, your children can have a very cushy life.
Because you worked yourself to death. At least here, the “hard work to get rich” still somewhat holds.
