wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China’s own official account. (Here’s a Telegraph article on the cables).
tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night.
the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here’s an article that goes into it a bit)
Just posting an image of a man who stood in front of an actively moving tank, crawled all over it, then walked away unscathed doesn’t prove anything that you think it proves.
Go do that on one of your own military’s tanks today. You’d be doing me, yourself, and frankly the entire world a favour if you had the courage to try it.
The reason we don’t show externally hosted images isn’t because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with
It’s the 1989 Tiemaman square Tank Man picture and Xi Jinping as Whinnie the Pooh, images commonly censored in China as one of them demonstrates clear oppression and the other discredits the CCP.
Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed
Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence
Lmao you’re literally using Reddit as a source!
Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members.
The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of.
The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in “good” countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily.
There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks.
Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
You realise that the origin of something doesn’t determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn’t absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn’t get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4
Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn’t be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end
I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don’t think there’s any way to actually prevent it.
Apparently there’s been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it
When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you’re pro Russia.
What are you talking about? We have a huge incredibly active news mega that does analysis daily. The fact that we are as sceptical of western media as we are of russian is a good thing. You shouldn’t just uncritically swallow state department propaganda. You should investigate claims made, instead of just accepting them.
Why can’t you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?
When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict
Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?
It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass. I just don’t understand the mentality. It’s fucking slimy. You can just do that shit and you don’t feel dirty?
Lmao propaganda is when you source your claims so others can check for themselves. It’s pretty clear you’re just very insecure of your knowledge. At some level you know you’re wrong, so you’re afraid of being challenged on it.
Hexbear is very categorically not pro Russia, we’re just not pro West
I can’t hear you, the Arms Deliverys to Ukraine are to loud!
Fuck you people. You are pro China and Russia.
We are pro China, we are not pro Russia
Same thing.
Taiwan is a Country
Not according to the US or EUs member nations or Taiwan
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Not really. Not even amerikkka agrees
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Just posting an image of a man who stood in front of an actively moving tank, crawled all over it, then walked away unscathed doesn’t prove anything that you think it proves.
Go do that on one of your own military’s tanks today. You’d be doing me, yourself, and frankly the entire world a favour if you had the courage to try it.
Lmao imagining this nerd immediately being ventilated because “the soldiers feared for their life.”
Where’s the lies? I literally provided sources for you to research on your own. How are you this incapable of critical thinking?
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Propaganda is a list of western sources you can investigate for yourself. I am very clever.
Debunk the propaganda then
Why don’t you link a video of this incident instead of just a still image?
I’m confused. There doesn’t seem to be anything happening in this image?
/s
I am incredibly owned rn
Lmao your instance literally blocks it. Just shows how your instance can go fuck themselves.
Our instance doesn’t show any externally hosted images, it’s not about what’s in the image idiot
Its completely irrelevant whats inside the image, the point is you don’t get shown it because your instance likes censorship.
The reason we don’t show externally hosted images isn’t because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with
correct, we don’t allow racism or bigotry on our instance, fashie. sorry that offends you.
Cope.
Poor baby.
classic centrist move, idk why people question their alignment so much
It’s the 1989 Tiemaman square Tank Man picture and Xi Jinping as Whinnie the Pooh, images commonly censored in China as one of them demonstrates clear oppression and the other discredits the CCP.
Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed
There’s a lot more where that came from
http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tiananmen-square-massacre
Also you can find plenty on reddit by just searching “Tiananmen square”
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11db77h/tiananmen_square_massacre_1989_bravely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/q8savh/tiananmen_square_massacre_images/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/v5jbog/1989_tiananmen_square_massacre_protesting_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/v4ryjb/photo_of_the_aftermath_of_tiananmen_square/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence
(This was copy pasted from Reddit)
Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from
Lmao you’re literally using Reddit as a source!
Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members.
The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of.
The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in “good” countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily.
Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work?
There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks.
Oh, so @CookieJarObserver is using the racist Whinnie the Pooh insult.
As always. Scratch a liberal and a fascist/racist bleeds.
You realize that this picture originated from Chinese social media right?
Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril
And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
You realise that the origin of something doesn’t determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn’t absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn’t get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4
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How dare those tanks not run over that man! Don’t they understand that freedom is when you just plow into people like US security forces do.
I’m fairly new to Lemmy. What does that signify? something to do with federation I guess? I can see the picture - Xi as Pooh Bear…
Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn’t be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end
Thank you, that makes sense.
I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don’t think there’s any way to actually prevent it.
Apparently there’s been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it
So in other words our chinese censorship is censoring american freedom?
you’re literally pro-nazi and you’re complaining about us lmao
Lmao go further supporting genocides.
Which genocides are we supporting? Point me to specific posts please.
They cant
It’s amazing how asking for any reference immediately disbands the libs
They only have state propaganda as their source. Driven insane by Hillary losing because of the Russians and their election interference.
no more half measures walter
Say that more than 3 screen inches from you supporting ethnic cleansing next time please.
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So you support the genocide in Donbas?
When being “not pro west” means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you’re pro Russia.
What are you talking about? We have a huge incredibly active news mega that does analysis daily. The fact that we are as sceptical of western media as we are of russian is a good thing. You shouldn’t just uncritically swallow state department propaganda. You should investigate claims made, instead of just accepting them.
What is the Russian propaganda that we’re repeating in regard to Ukraine?
Why can’t you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?
Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?
It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass. I just don’t understand the mentality. It’s fucking slimy. You can just do that shit and you don’t feel dirty?
Go into the news mega and post your “analysis” we would love to see it
No thanks, I’m not into brigading :)
Are you this afraid of learning something? Coward
Nah, I just don’t like being subjected to Chinese propaganda or any other propaganda as a matter of fact…
Lmao propaganda is when you source your claims so others can check for themselves. It’s pretty clear you’re just very insecure of your knowledge. At some level you know you’re wrong, so you’re afraid of being challenged on it.
If all your sources are propaganda then what does that make your claims? 🤔
Want me to find sources that COVID doesn’t exist, that the earth is flat, that the moon landing never happened?
You know just because you have a source behind what you say it doesn’t make it right, that’s the stuff you learn by staying in school.
Okay, then vet the sources big guy.
…except if it originates in
clearly
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Why do you think it is impossible to just dislike two things at once?