• autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    10·
    1 year ago

    *relatively fair, more fair than what is currently happening, ect. Sorry I wasn’t precise.

    For an actor to be paid residuals (under socialism) they must necessarily be taken (unjustly) from another worker, or more precisely the whole mass of the working class which do not have the privileged of getting such payments.

    I think you’re being overly orthodox over things that did not or barely existed in Marx or Lenin’s times here. Basically I think you’re continuing to artfully dodge the fact that these people’s labor is being reused for profit under a system like China’s. (I’ll drop the Cuba and Vietnam point because I don’t actually know for sure either, though I think both still incorporate markets to an extent? Like Cuba has tourism for profit. And I do know for sure that neither has abolished intellectual property.). With things like reruns, theater plays, radio plays, and now streaming services, the labor of workers is being recycled for profit. That doesn’t go away until profit and markets for media are completely abolished. As long as they do then all the workers involved should be getting residuals to compensate for that recycling of their labor.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        Radio dramas didn’t exist until the 1920s. Marx died in 1883 when electromagnetic waves themselves were just a hypothesis. The first experimental radio signals were done by Heinrich Hertz in 1886. The first radio broadcast with audio didn’t happen until 1906.

        Marx was an avid Shakespeare fan if that counts. I think he mentioned Christopher Marlowe a few times too.

        • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          I think u/Thomasmuentzer is pretty knowledgeable about Marx, though the last time I saw him talk of Marx and artists it was about them being part of a third “artisan” class. It had something to do with ai…

          I’ll ask in the mega and tag you if I get anything

    • RuthlessCriticism [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I’m not sure what you mean by labor is recycled for profit. I see no difference between a worker paving a road that people drive over for 20 years and an actor making a movie which is rerun for 20 years. In Marx’s terminology there is living labor and dead labor. Living labor is the work done by workers. Dead labor is the product of work done in the past by workers, for example a sowing machine. Capital is dead labor. The actor makes the movie performing living labor and should be compensated for it. Then there exists the movie itself a form of dead labor and they should no longer be compensated for it (under socialism).

      • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        8·
        1 year ago

        My point is that the movie is being recycled for profit specifically. As long as thats abolished, I agree with you I think. But if the corporation is still profiting off a living person’s labor like that, residuals seem like the way to compensate for that.

        I do agree there’s kind of a disconnect between how this is done in the entertainment industry vs other industries, but I think as long as profit is being made by “recycling labor” then ideally yes compensation should occur for that. I realize this would lead to complicated situations like, say, a private person using a sewing machine to do a craft and then selling it on etsy, do they owe the worker who made that sewing machine residuals? Its a weird road to go down. But I don’t think movies, music, and TV on streaming services are complicated in any way because thats a situation where a corporation is making money off people’s recycled labor in perpetuality, and currently those people make nothing off of that and the bosses do.

        • RuthlessCriticism [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Those royalties were at rates controlled by the government and as I understand it were fairly limited. No doubt there were significant shortcomings in the USSR though, this among them. Sort of in line with the general problem of different wage rates. I believe the highest paid workers had wages about 5 times those of the lowest paid. As the Soviet Union decayed more liberalism entered its copyright system, the rate controls were lifted by Gorbachev and even before that copyright was made more restrictive with respect to translations and foreign work.