How is what you’re imagining any better than simply “gays womens diableds good” as a lazy and simple answer, so you can put the blame for society’s problems on other people, and take no responsibility for learning and growing as people yourselves?
…as a lazy and simple answer, so you can put the blame for society’s problems on other people, and take no responsibility for learning and growing as people yourselves?
It’s bad because, exactly as you have displayed, people will hyper focus on trigger words, while ignoring everything else that gets said.
Ok, but your original comment was pretty much a non-sequitor.
Saying that it’s bad to say that those groups of people are bad doesn’t mean that anyone is saying that those groups of people are good as a simple answer. But frankly, saying those groups are good is probably a better answer than saying they’re bad.
We have homophobes, misogynists, and ableists, so there are definitely people who explicitly think those groups are bad.
Meanwhile, the people advocating for the rights of those groups are not saying that all people in those groups are virtuous and can do no wrong… they’re advocating for equal rights and opportunities.
Besides. I’m fine with “women are good” being the starting point rather than “women are bad”…lol
It’s only a non-sequitur if you hyperfixate on the part inside quotes while ignoring the central thrust: That attempting to reduce large populations down to simple catch phrases will never end well in the long run. Too many people argue fervently over how we should label broad segments of society, to the point that they attack anyone suggesting that they shouldn’t be doing that by assuming those people must just want the opposite, but equally reductive, perspective to be true.
On the one hand, having representation limited to villainous roles is bad. (See early depictions of black people and think about “Cowboys vs. Indians”)
On the other hand…there are plenty of women in villainous roles. I can also think of a few notable gay and disables villains.
Hell, Breaking Bad is a great example of having all of them, and even though it aired before “woke” became a bad word to some people, nobody ever complained about it being too progressive or anything.
How is what you’re imagining any better than simply “gays womens diableds good” as a lazy and simple answer, so you can put the blame for society’s problems on other people, and take no responsibility for learning and growing as people yourselves?
Threads like this are really helpful for identifying unreachable people (yes, I mean you)
Why is it wrong to say women, gay people, and people with disabilities are good?
In media, there are villains who are women, gay, or who have disabilities, so it’s not like they’re exclusively “good guys”…
It’s bad because, exactly as you have displayed, people will hyper focus on trigger words, while ignoring everything else that gets said.
Ok, but your original comment was pretty much a non-sequitor.
Saying that it’s bad to say that those groups of people are bad doesn’t mean that anyone is saying that those groups of people are good as a simple answer. But frankly, saying those groups are good is probably a better answer than saying they’re bad.
We have homophobes, misogynists, and ableists, so there are definitely people who explicitly think those groups are bad.
Meanwhile, the people advocating for the rights of those groups are not saying that all people in those groups are virtuous and can do no wrong… they’re advocating for equal rights and opportunities.
Besides. I’m fine with “women are good” being the starting point rather than “women are bad”…lol
It’s only a non-sequitur if you hyperfixate on the part inside quotes while ignoring the central thrust: That attempting to reduce large populations down to simple catch phrases will never end well in the long run. Too many people argue fervently over how we should label broad segments of society, to the point that they attack anyone suggesting that they shouldn’t be doing that by assuming those people must just want the opposite, but equally reductive, perspective to be true.
But this is more case of “gays women disabled people exist”
Assholes: “how could you!? All stories should be about me, and only me!”
When they are rarely or never the bad guys, they are saying more than just that they exist.
On the one hand, having representation limited to villainous roles is bad. (See early depictions of black people and think about “Cowboys vs. Indians”)
On the other hand…there are plenty of women in villainous roles. I can also think of a few notable gay and disables villains.
Hell, Breaking Bad is a great example of having all of them, and even though it aired before “woke” became a bad word to some people, nobody ever complained about it being too progressive or anything.
It’s impossible to regularly be the bad guy if you are not regularly an acting participant of the story, or even in a position of power.
Do you actually believe Princess Peach is “women are better” propaganda? Nice stats you got…
How is what you’re doing not a lazy, oversimplified excuse to avoid having to actually look at others as real people?